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Post by Qwerty on Nov 22, 2010 19:45:27 GMT
Dictatorship suggests one ruler. We are an oligarchy, or a triumvirate, depending on how much you like the word "triumvirate".
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Post by disabled on Nov 23, 2010 3:58:47 GMT
After I commented on the letter, some more thoughts about the project in the general discussion thread. This one is not gonna be shorter... In the long run it is a plan for us to once again be the Official Dan-Ball Forums, and furthermore to be linked to from the Dan-Ball website at some point. It is the holy grail of connection with Dan-Ball. I wonder what "being official" means to you (all). Being able to write "official" in the forum again? Or the Link from his website to this forum? The link would without a doubt increase the traffic on this forum and make it more serious. But from his perspective, he doesn't have a similar thing for a japanese forum. He only links to the dev blogs and to the top 15 pages who send people to his page. Putting a link to someone else on your professional homepage is a very strong statement, it means I recommend this site, I approve it. This is generally not possible for a forum you know nobody on and you don't even speak the language written. If he is careless, he might not have many problems putting the link on his page. But if you get him to do it in one mail, I'd be surprised and it wouldn't mean much to me at all. Being able to just call ourselves "official" because he wrote so in one email would mean nothing to me. "The holy grail of connection with Dan-Ball" for me is, getting to know ha55ii, communicating with him, telling him from us, perhaps try to send element proposals directly (would have to be way way fewer then the approved elements), probably in that order. You can always ask him for a link or approval later. And if he knows us, then he'd be more willing to do so, then when you start to ask for it upfront. I know it sounds boring, but I'd ask him for an interview. Make up some nice questions, some about us too and ask him to either send it to us or even better post the answers on his blog. If our url appears on his blog, that'd be a first victory. I might be totally wrong and he's a cool dude who just accepts links from any stranger, but given his page I don't have that impression from him - and I'm eager to know what kind of person he is.
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 23, 2010 5:38:23 GMT
Disabled, that's what I'm talking about. "Official" is not just a name, it's a state of being. The long-term goal and methods of DB-PAL are pretty much exactly what you are talking about. The letter is just a first step, a way to get SOME form of contact with Ha55ii.
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Nov 23, 2010 5:38:33 GMT
Funny that was the original reason we wanted to contact him. (Way back in the days of the first ever element keeper. I'd agree. This would be as good if not better than linking with his site.
Boring?! Boring my eyeball. Chatting with ha55ii would be a dream come true for many people on the forum, if the staff doing it find it boring, then I seriously wonder if we have motivated enough staff.
Same. To us all he is, is a mystery.
Those were just some points I decided to comment on from that post.
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Post by Qwerty on Dec 4, 2010 6:41:14 GMT
Right, does ANYONE have anything to contribute to the letter? We need the best of all possible letters to send to Otascube.
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Dec 4, 2010 7:50:24 GMT
Well I'm doing too well in english... (low 80's) so I don't think I'll really be able to help... But I would liek to add that I think it should be a bit more friendly.
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Post by GloveParty on Dec 8, 2010 2:33:04 GMT
Well, where's the letter at? I'd be glad to help.
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Dec 12, 2010 9:23:54 GMT
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Post by Qwerty on Dec 12, 2010 21:41:57 GMT
Huzzah! Thanks, it's a definite improvement.
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Dec 13, 2010 21:02:22 GMT
Thanks. I edited again changing some things disabled pointed out. Looks like this project is moving forward!
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Post by kuraikiba on Dec 20, 2010 1:12:55 GMT
Here is the thing: If you wonder what he is like, it is very likely Ha55ii is a plain, relatively boring guy. People online always their visualize their idols as being interesting because they haven't really talked to them. I've met many prominent Internet idols, but they are just plain people.
I've met Krinkels, the maker of madness combat (popular anim series), One of the guys who programmed skype, and quite a few others. They've all be super-idolized, except the skype guy, and they were boring as dirt, sticks, and rocks. I've had some pretty wild advents online, but the experience usually ends with a crappy reward. I'm only saying... don't get your hopes up too high.
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Post by Artifact123 on Dec 20, 2010 9:30:06 GMT
You met Krinkels?! You are a freak, man.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Dec 20, 2010 10:09:22 GMT
So what if ha55ii turns out to be some boring geek who lounges back in a dirty armchair of some tiny apartment with nothing but a laptop, a game console, and whatever the latest cell phone is? We would still like to affiliate our forum with his site, as that would bring slightly more attention to our forum and maybe direct some of the incompetent users of Dan-Ball to the answers to their incessant questions.
By no means are we trying to know the man behind the username any more than any of you already know the user behind this avatar and display name...
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Post by kuraikiba on Dec 20, 2010 21:59:38 GMT
@ Artifact: What do you mean, I am a freak? Matt Jolly is a really boring guy. The guy lives in Colorado and does odd jobs for a living. Trust me, Krinkels is seriously boring. Though I did get some sprites of MC9 before he released it.
@ Veers: I realize that, but I don't want people getting their hopes too high. Besides, he is not even easy to contact.
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Dec 22, 2010 12:13:54 GMT
kuraikibaKrinkels? Boring? Who cares, all I care about are his awesome movies. Besides, the majority of people on the internet are boring. We just want to meet them to at least find out... Oh and for the benefit of the forum. (talking about ha55ii here)
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Post by Qwerty on Dec 28, 2010 21:32:07 GMT
Yeah, I honestly don't care if Ha55ii is a Japanese office worker without the ability to bend space and time. The point is he owns Dan-Ball, so contacting him will be valuable.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jan 8, 2011 3:00:10 GMT
This message is based loosely off Memzak's edition of the letter. Where there are parentheses and vertical pipes, I give a list of words for others to choose. Where there are brackets, I prompt whether the word(s) should be included or left out of the letter. I tried to keep the letter formal and simple, but knowing nothing of Japanese letter-making, I do not know whether this may be formal enough or too insultingly informal.
Please provide input. Thank you...
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Post by Qwerty on Jan 8, 2011 3:57:37 GMT
Hmm. English, users, regarding, are willing, the following, community, would be (rather than is or are), thank you, members of the. Of course, most of it won't matter during translation anyway. Should we get someone to help? Now, I mean? Or do we modify it more?
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jan 8, 2011 5:31:26 GMT
We should see if anyone else has input, since it is from most of us, before we get a translator, although seeing how long this has been delayed, I worry that waiting for more input will delay this even longer...
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Post by Qwerty on Jan 8, 2011 8:51:51 GMT
Yes; it has been unsuccessful thus far due to lack of input.
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Post by pir8ozzy on Jan 8, 2011 12:44:06 GMT
We should see if anyone else has input, since it is from most of us, before we get a translator, although seeing how long this has been delayed, I worry that waiting for more input will delay this even longer... That message is perfect, there is no point in waiting for more input. It could be translated and sent just like that.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jan 8, 2011 15:00:05 GMT
There is no such thing as perfect, or if there is (doubtful), at least not in this case. There could be many subtle things that all three of us so far are missing...
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Post by Qwerty on Jan 10, 2011 15:34:08 GMT
You know why I think this can be done? I shall tell you: I've seen it happen before. Participated in it, even.
I used to play a game called Block Action. I like to think I was a form of Great there. All the major uploaders liked my levels, and despite most of them looking like a child threw up and spread it around, the gameplay was quite hard and everything was planned for the gameplay. That's besides the point.
You see, Block Action had this unofficial forum that I went to through an upload (sound familiar to anyone?). It's a game programmed and controlled by a Japanese person who didn't like to make contact with the English side of his community. It was very difficult to contact him, but once we did, we got an official link on the main page. The result? A huge spike of members and overall activity, and it was confirmed that Diago (Ha55ii) did look at us. People said it was hopeless, that we had no chance, that there was no way we seriously expected it to work. It worked.
Of course, it died for a variety of reasons. With the release of the buggy Block Quest, with the horrible controls and lack of a search function, the link was replaced. The influx of members died down, but we stayed active for awhile. It died in the spambot invasion of 2006 (surely some of you remember that), when all threads were buried under massive piles of gay porn links that somehow bypassed captchas. People didn't have time to read topics for the one post every three pages that wasn't a porn link, so it died. The spam was later removed, and some attempts were made to revive it, but alas, it was too late.
This is Block Action all over again: Both featured on i-am-bored, both featured on JayIsGames (thanks to me, you're welcome), both highly popular in their day, both with a reclusive Japanese programmer and another Japanese web-designer, both separated into Japanese and English (although BA also had German for some reason), and both that started to a linkless unofficial forum and ended with a linked official one. So, you see, this isn't a hopeless venture. Far from it: I've done it all before.
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Post by GloveParty on Jan 11, 2011 20:48:13 GMT
English-speaking would be better than English, in my opinion.
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Post by Qwerty on Jan 12, 2011 18:36:52 GMT
...What? What's the difference? It's going to end up in Japanese, by the time we send it.
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Post by pir8ozzy on Jan 12, 2011 19:56:29 GMT
Even if 'subtle things' make it through translation, Ha55ii may not even notice them. Besides, this is the first of many messages so any problems can be fixed with future messages once Ha55ii has replied.
I just hope the translator knows what they are doing.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jan 12, 2011 20:05:18 GMT
Well, I guess we should look for someone to translate the message now, and possibly let the translator choose which of the words and phrases to use.
On to the next stage?
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Post by Cray on Feb 12, 2011 17:34:58 GMT
Mabey we should try to get the Dan-Ball wikia with this too they might have a few more connections, or we could try to get to the Dan- Ball producers instead. Sorry about the rambling of ideas but I have more: what about the add server for the adds on Dan ball they might also have something or why not see if he has a webmaster that we can get to. Sorry the last one was kinda lame but it's an idea!
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Post by Cray on Feb 12, 2011 17:39:03 GMT
Sorry I'm not to techy but by webmaster I mean the person he pays for the web domain name and space
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Post by Cray on Feb 12, 2011 17:54:09 GMT
Sorry but I have more : this might not work but what is we try uploading some good and cool suff from powder game And stuff or what about the new social part of Dan ball or maybe through his apple pograming account or find the maintnice or testing Dan ball site? Or isn't there kinda Facebook for japan or something again sorry for the rambling but I had to get them down PS. If he/she likes cardboard so much why using there a cardboard powder game eliment
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