Chat Ban Appeal
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Post by imrunningforcash on Feb 13, 2011 2:51:19 GMT
This is Running, obviously, but I just wanted to say a couple things:
One, I'm 95% sure that Kuraikiba777 has a grudge against me do to slander saying I threatend him when I simply posted: "You can't ban me on assumption".
Two, I had no firm belief that what I posted was illegal, I said that it was due to the evidence presented on chat by Kuraikiba777, Vertigo111, and GeneralVeers. I also admit that I HAVE NOT read the chat rules but I have been unfairly banned on a FORUM rule for an action on CHAT.
Three, this is unjust because I have been permanent banned for ONE offense when there have been other such as Priokoftheages and Dhoom who simply use a dynamic IP and ignore rules. They get weekly/monthly bans, I get a permanent ban.
This is my case, I hope you can make the right choice about it.
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Post by GloveParty on Feb 13, 2011 2:59:14 GMT
You tried to get m to pirate before. You even told me to COME ON JUST PIRATE IT.
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Post by Qwerty on Feb 13, 2011 3:23:59 GMT
We've decided in neutral chat to keep the chat, but we successfully got you unbanned on the forum.
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Post by Qwerty on Feb 13, 2011 3:34:05 GMT
...What? er, wrong thread, Veers... But funny choice of wrong thread...
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Post by dhoom on Feb 13, 2011 3:35:25 GMT
Kurai is a bumbling baffoon. I support your unban, you don't deserve a permaban for one offense. It wasn't even a serious offense, too.
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Post by sparkpowder on Feb 13, 2011 14:12:30 GMT
NOTE: Although my opinion was to change the permaban to a 1.5 month ban, due to my rights in this board being revoked, my verdict no longer counts.
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Post by GloveParty on Feb 13, 2011 14:31:25 GMT
Sparkpowder? Please stop powerplaying.
You are not head of the ban appeals, you are not a Admin's Apprentice, you are a former corporal because we banned you for powerplaying, and you just do not have that power.
SOmething you should know: Before I was quite acquainted with the rules on the mater, SlappedEggs tried to get me to pirate EVEN AFTER I COMPLAINED IT WAS ILLEGAL. I would have a screenshot, but it was too long ago.
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Post by Qwerty on Feb 13, 2011 14:32:48 GMT
Spark, you really should read the rules. We've got stuff against that, ya know.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Feb 13, 2011 19:18:50 GMT
Warning added, present and future consideration for any staff position denied, and signature corrected.
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Post by kuraikiba on Feb 13, 2011 19:33:09 GMT
Along with other measures for future offenses.
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Post by imrunningforcash on Feb 13, 2011 21:22:50 GMT
Could anyone update me on what's been decided?
Thanks, ImRunningForCash
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Post by monokr0me on Feb 13, 2011 23:01:16 GMT
I HAVE NOT read the chat rules but I have been unfairly banned on a FORUM rule for an action on CHAT. . Bro, the chat says: "Most forum rules apply, but seriously, use common sense, and if a mod warns you to stop something, stop it." Right above the main chat window.
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Post by D_M-01 on Feb 13, 2011 23:33:33 GMT
A moderator on the chat has full authority to ban you with or without questioning. If you feel you have been wrongly banned, we need evidence from either side as to the cause of said banning. If no evidence is provided, then we must rely on the word of the moderator. If you did happen to post an activity that is illegal on chat, the consequence should be the same that is applicable on the forum. Anything that is illegal is enough to jeopardize the functioning of said parties. Also, I believe everyone that uses the internet knows that torrenting is an illegal activity. Advising someone to do this is a fault on your part, because in doing so you encourage the act of committing illegal activity.
Also, the fact that you did not read the forum rules does not support your case. as Monokr0me stated, it clearly says above the chat window that most forum rules apply. The results of other users' bans are not of your concern. You fail to understand that there may be other reasons and motifs as to why these users were repealed.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Feb 13, 2011 23:47:32 GMT
Actually, there is a difference between torrenting and pirating. Torrenting is essentially a server giving a few clients the different pieces of a full software and then letting the clients share their copies so they can all eventually reproduce a full copy of the software for themselves without the main server having to give out more than one copy of the full software.
Pirating is using copyrighted work in a way that infringes upon the copyright holder's licensed rights. Torrenting can be used to pirate works, but is not necessarily itself pirating. Torrenting is not illegal, but torrenting pirated works is illegal. The question in this case is not about torrenting, but about pirating.
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Post by imrunningforcash on Feb 13, 2011 23:54:19 GMT
A few things to say about KuraiOorora's post:
1. Other user bans can be my concern if I wish, they may not pull weight with admins but they do with me.
2. I have presented evidence of slander, in case you missed it, (which is highly unlikely because it appears you took a part from every sentence of the post ((exaggeration)) I QUOTE: "Tempy9 IRFC threatend me in chat". Supposed threat: "You can't ban me on assumption".
3. Again, back to other's ban. One, they ALWAYS get shortend. Two, I think posting pornography is worse then posting a link to a site that I wasn't positive was illegal. Three, I may as well get a God damn dynamic IP. I mean, that''s what Priokoftheages and Dhoom do. Why shouldn't I, just to avoid an unfair ban?
4. I may have forgotten to... I DID forget to mention that I have NEVER read the forums rules either.
5. "Most forum rules apply here, but seriously, use common sense, if a mod warns you to stop something, stop it." Key word being MOST not all, and there is no list saying what is allowed and isn't.
I believe I've covered everything.
My thoughts: I DO NOT support the permanent ban for obvious reasons, I do think it would be fair for a warning to a 1-2 month ban. I mean, I've stated MANY times that I wasn't positive that it was legal or illegal, I'm 12, I mess up sometimes.
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Post by D_M-01 on Feb 14, 2011 0:10:57 GMT
When I say that a user's ban is none of your concern, I mean that their ban and the reasons for so are normally to be restricted in confidentiality both between said user and the staff members. This information should not be divulged to other users. The only piece of evidence you have given us, if it can be counted, is your word, which does not look too good at the moment considering you have been accused by staff. By proof, I mean chat logs. If you do not have these, then the odds are highly against you. Read my previous statement on number one. Forgotten... Suffice to say that is a poor excuse as to why you have not already read the forum rules. I agree with this statement, as there is no defined list as to what forum rules apply to the chat. But, if I am mistaken, you did continue to go against staff orders when told to stop, did you not?
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Post by imrunningforcash on Feb 14, 2011 0:12:27 GMT
I did not, I did not continue to go against mods, evidence: the fact that there was no way to. There was a debate, not an argument, there was no profanity, it was me appealing.
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Post by D_M-01 on Feb 14, 2011 0:14:16 GMT
Well then, the only thing we have as evidence of this matter is the word from both you and the staff member(s) who banned you, as well as any other witnesses that were present at the time of the incident. Unless anyone has a piece of evidence they are willing to offer.
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Post by imrunningforcash on Feb 14, 2011 0:18:42 GMT
Isn't there any way to discuss this rather than butting heads on forum posts?
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Post by imrunningforcash on Feb 14, 2011 0:21:53 GMT
ALSO! I read the rules board, this is the ban criteria:
First time reaching 100% warning level: <----Closest thing to me One week ban
Second offense: Three week ban
Third offense: One month ban
Fourth offense: One year ban
Fifth offense: Permanent IP ban
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Post by imrunningforcash on Feb 14, 2011 0:24:13 GMT
There's also this!
The following is a summary of the rules below. Reading past this is optional. You are not required to have the rules memorized, but you are required to follow them.
Be respectful. Don't insult other members or treat them badly. Making fun of someone's work is also a no-no, as is "trolling".
Be appropriate. Behave well, do not post offending content, such as nudity, excessive swearing, or excessive gore.
Be honest. Do not claim someone elses work as your own, or say you're a famous actor when you aren't.
Be grammatically correct-ish. We're fine if English isn't your first language, or you don't spell very well, but don't "typ lik dis", as this is not a chat room, with the exception of the chat room, which is a chat room. We would still appreciate decent grammar there as well.
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Post by D_M-01 on Feb 14, 2011 0:32:49 GMT
The optional part is for the summary section... either way I gave my base of the argument. It's up for the staff to decide.
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Post by imrunningforcash on Feb 14, 2011 0:41:15 GMT
Also, I have been a frequent polite "chatter" for nearly half a year, this is my first offense, what are the odds of me doing it again if I have to go through all of this sh*t again. I'm not saying I WOULD if there was none of this. I'm saying I messed up, I'm sorry, i found a ton of evidence in my favor, I'm not sure what else I can do, so I probably won't be associating with the DBF until this has been resolved. I WILL BE BACK WHEN THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED.
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Post by kuraikiba on Feb 14, 2011 0:55:27 GMT
You cursing doesn't put you in a good place in a repeal.
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Post by microfarad on Feb 14, 2011 1:19:39 GMT
What happened? Why does he have a permanent ban? I'm tending to agree with cash unless you give me some good reasons.
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Post by Elmach on Feb 14, 2011 1:28:26 GMT
OK, questions time.
Did you get banned before or after I mentioned to use common sense?
Did a mod tell you to stop doing what you did to get banned? After reading the thread again, I am assuming the answer is yes. It is yes, right?
How did you get banned? I'm a bit fuzzy on this. After reading the thread, I am assuming it was for trying to get ObG to pirate, right? Or was it something else?
Did you get banned before this? After reading again, it seems that the answer is no. You shouldn't have gotten a lifetime ban.
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Post by kuraikiba on Feb 14, 2011 1:39:25 GMT
He tried to convince someone to illegally download pirated software. That is, without question, against the rules. 2 mods and 2 admins gave it the green light. They decided to give the designated punishment, an IP ban. After careful consideration, it was decided that he would have a permanent ban on chat but have no ban on the forum. More than fair. Micro, address it in the Ban Board thread, which gives all the information you need.
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Post by imrunningforcash on Feb 14, 2011 1:49:28 GMT
Ok, I'm still watching the forum however, but that is TOTALLY false. I was not convincing, I offered him the link, Kurai, stop bullshitting. I'm getting sick of it.
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Post by kuraikiba on Feb 14, 2011 1:54:29 GMT
As far as I'm convinced, you're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. I'm not going to respond kindly to flaming here. That flaming shows you clearly wouldn't even be prepared to be mature on chat. You've been allowed to stay on the forum chat, and you should be thankful for that, as one admin and two mods wanted the forum ban as well. Count your blessings, you are lucky.
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Post by imrunningforcash on Feb 14, 2011 21:01:33 GMT
Look, I couldn't care less what you are here, you lie. I don't take kindly to liars.
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