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Post by Paradox on Jun 6, 2010 19:50:29 GMT
May not be official, but if you have new ideas for the Forums, post them here.
I have one idea. What if there was a popularity counter, that went up each time someone posted in your thread (besides the Spam Board)?
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 7, 2010 0:31:48 GMT
We already have that: The posts column of each board.
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Post by Paradox on Jun 8, 2010 10:39:32 GMT
I meant in your profile. Like, you'd get a point for every time someone posts in a thread you made.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 8, 2010 14:00:02 GMT
That would be impossible.
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 8, 2010 20:07:28 GMT
Not impossible, just extremely time-consuming and requiring an expert in coding.
A simple Java game related to sand would be a nice thing to have in one of the boards, just for entertainment purposes. It doesn't have to be Powder Game or anything. Just a simple sand game.
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Post by microfarad on Jun 8, 2010 21:59:21 GMT
I could do that... Probably... But it would have to be Silverlight, not Java.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 8, 2010 22:27:08 GMT
No, actually, it would be completely impossible. Proboards only gives us so much access.
As to the java game, it sounds great, but not embedded in every page. We have loading times to consider.
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Post by disabled on Jun 8, 2010 23:06:34 GMT
No, actually, it would be completely impossible. Proboards only gives us so much access. There are actually two method that could do it. You can inject Javascript right? So you can check if someone just posted in a thread and send an ajax message to a remote server to count the post. Then again via Ajax you can read the values and attach them to the profile. The other method is backing up the forum like every week and then counting the references and again injecting them via Ajax. Of course the methods could be combined to prevent cheating and acurately track those who disabled JS on this site (like me). But still it would be a lot of work to do and would probably considerably decrease the performance of the website for a not so important feature. Seriously? I have about 5 things of the top of my head to improve loading speeds. 4 of them being removing useless JS(*) and forcing users to properly compress their signature images (especially Microfarad, I also PMd him, but he doesn't care) (*) If you want I can name the JS that is not needed.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 8, 2010 23:29:15 GMT
We already removed the completely useless Javascript of which we are aware. We aren't gonna remove the dan-balls, names, custom stars, or any of that, I know you consider those useless. Most forum users don't know how to properly compress signatures.
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Post by disabled on Jun 9, 2010 7:45:22 GMT
So youre sure there is nothing useless in there? <script type="text/javascript"> document.write('<table width="951" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" align="center"><tr><td width="100%" style="background-image: url(http://i47.tinypic.com/166ws5s.png);">') </script> Why not just write the table? Why use JS? Yeah right. A JS anti-Spam bot code. As if bots would care about JS. There is a real captcha already implemented for guests you know? Does it really help? Disabling this code is as easy as using noscript and use "no page style" or a stylish like "#forum { display: inline !important }" What? Why hide polls on selected threads? I also assume the threads are copied from the old forum. Ha ha ha... JS protection again. Well if you can't edit others accounts, it might help. But its dead simple to circumvent this "protection". Noscript and "no page style" again... Again, why use document.write? Why not paste the stuff in there? This code is excactly the same as 10 lines down in the Mini Profile block. You can completely remove that block without any functional loss. Additionally there are two blocks commented out but still in the code: As for the forum signatures. I even gave MF a link to his recompressed signature... His sig is ~600kb and easily compresses to 85kb. But AdblockPlus does the job just fine for me.
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 9, 2010 20:59:45 GMT
Well, someone certainly knows what they are talking about. Impressive...
There are a few key points there. Compressing signatures could possibly reduce load time by as high as ten percent, maybe even more. As for my idea on a forum game whether it be made with Flash, Javascript (it doesn't matter), I had meant for it to be placed in a designated board.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 9, 2010 22:32:21 GMT
So youre sure there is nothing useless in there? <script type="text/javascript"> document.write('<table width="951" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" align="center"><tr><td width="100%" style="background-image: url(http://i47.tinypic.com/166ws5s.png);">') </script> Why not just write the table? Why use JS? We have limited access to the forum's code. We can add javascript, but not remove anything.Yeah right. A JS anti-Spam bot code. As if bots would care about JS. There is a real captcha already implemented for guests you know? Does it really help? Disabling this code is as easy as using noscript and use "no page style" or a stylish like "#forum { display: inline !important }" It prevents the post from being displayed to others, not from being posted. Besides, it is only designed to work on that Chinese spambot that plagued us for who knows how long. We haven't had a post from it since.What? Why hide polls on selected threads? I also assume the threads are copied from the old forum. We don't even use polls. This is to remove the polls that people may accidentally make.Ha ha ha... JS protection again. Well if you can't edit others accounts, it might help. But its dead simple to circumvent this "protection". Noscript and "no page style" again... Yeah, that one is pretty useless.Again, why use document.write? Why not paste the stuff in there? See 1.This code is excactly the same as 10 lines down in the Mini Profile block. You can completely remove that block without any functional loss. We must have missed that one.Additionally there are two blocks commented out but still in the code: So we comment out blocks, what of it?As for the forum signatures. I even gave MF a link to his recompressed signature... His sig is ~600kb and easily compresses to 85kb. But AdblockPlus does the job just fine for me. All very well, but I doubt enough people could learn to do this to make it a rule.Only two of those codes are even remotely useless, and that is only because one is a repeat. The forum game in Flash still sounds good, but it should go on its own page in the forum, not on a board. He may know what he is talking about, but in reality almost all of those are misunderstandings of some proportion. I doubt he properly read most of them, eg, the anti-spambot code. Plus he doesn't know how the headers and footers work on a Proboards forum. He knows what he is talking about, if this was a website and the codes worked as he thought they did. I am not impressed, but not negatively affected, either. I'm just unhappy that someone else was impressed at that. Oh, and your method of circumventing the codes is a waste of time. Why install noscript when you can simply turn off javascript? Why use the stylish code when you can use noheaders? Why do any of this at all when you can just use NOHEADERS=1?
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Post by disabled on Jun 10, 2010 15:36:33 GMT
We have limited access to the forum's code. We can add javascript, but not remove anything. The weired thing is, if I use NOHEADERS that line is gone. And it sits between "(c) 2009 Official Dan-Ball Forums" and "DO NOT USE THIS CODE WITHOUT THE RELEVENT FOOTER CODE" that somehow both indicates its user editable JS. But if you say its not, I have no argument against it, becaus I can't see the administration panel. If I enable JS and I'm not logged in, it prevents me from posting, unless I fill that other captcha. I don't know what the code does to you, or how it even should prevent displaying and not posting is beyond me. If it helps, let it stay. Useless security might help against stupid idiots (that chinese bot). (Thats why I asked if it helped.) Why do you want to forbid polls? Are you sure? that block reads ".2.0 Skin Design by GGoodie, Graphics and Coding © 2009 Official Dan-Ball Forum" and it again sits between two definately user edited scripts. I was just looking through the code and found useless code, thats what I was writing about, so I wrote it. Almost all of it doesn't improve load times that much, but I like efficient code. I'm not producing efficient code all the time myself, but I openly admit it and and if someone tells me how to improve it, I definately check it out. You are right, I don't know for sure how you can customize this board. AFAIK all you can do is insert one header and one footer. Thats why I questions those two "can't change" code segments youre talking about. I might be all wrong, because I can only guess how it works. You accused me to only post "relevant" features, so I only posted non-feature code. Thats why I did it for him... I'd do it for all the 5 people (blind guess) that have way to huge signatures. The thing is, if they don't care I can't do anything. How can I turn off javascript only for proboards without noscript? I'm eager to learn. Well noheaders would be a HUGE help, if I wouldn't have to append it to every new page I load. But youre right, I might use that, code a Greasemonkey script to append it to every link or mod my proxy to always append it... both will probably still be faster and I can GM the spoiler tags back in (those are actually quite useful).
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 10, 2010 16:54:59 GMT
I say if he feels so strongly about his propositions, then we might as very well create and keep a separate forum that has the exact same coding as this one, yet kept away from the public and only used when testing coding that could potentially help this forum. It would not be yet another forum to confuse users, which is why I strongly recommend keeping the link private and providing it only to those who feel they can potentially improve forum coding.
If this was done, we would never have to worry if a certain portion of coding goes wrong. Rather, if one DOES happen to go wrong, nothing is lost, and the coding to be restored to its original form. The edits to this test forum that are accepted as forum improvements could have the code copied and added to the actual forum.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 10, 2010 19:35:10 GMT
...and in the meanwhile, I await a response from Disabled for my request to learn HTML and JS. I plan to be able to do more than merely "read" code - I want to be able to adequately answer problems like this!
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Post by disabled on Jun 10, 2010 21:54:20 GMT
Yeah sorry for not responding. I just got back from a 2 day trip and got a call during writing the answer from a friend. And because the answer was not very helpful, I forgot to answer it later.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 10, 2010 22:40:24 GMT
We have limited access to the forum's code. We can add javascript, but not remove anything. The weired thing is, if I use NOHEADERS that line is gone. And it sits between "(c) 2009 Official Dan-Ball Forums" and "DO NOT USE THIS CODE WITHOUT THE RELEVENT FOOTER CODE" that somehow both indicates its user editable JS. But if you say its not, I have no argument against it, becaus I can't see the administration panel. Ah. I'm no Javascript person, so you'll have to ask Veers about that.If I enable JS and I'm not logged in, it prevents me from posting, unless I fill that other captcha. I don't know what the code does to you, or how it even should prevent displaying and not posting is beyond me. If it helps, let it stay. Useless security might help against stupid idiots (that chinese bot). (Thats why I asked if it helped.) The captcha is Proboards, not us, and we can't use it. This code is only designed to work against the chinese bot, and that it has.Why do you want to forbid polls? They only work on certain browsers. In a small community like this, that means bias when not everyone can vote.Are you sure? that block reads ".2.0 Skin Design by GGoodie, Graphics and Coding © 2009 Official Dan-Ball Forum" and it again sits between two definately user edited scripts. I'll once again say "See 1". We may as well merge these two.I was just looking through the code and found useless code, thats what I was writing about, so I wrote it. Almost all of it doesn't improve load times that much, but I like efficient code. I'm not producing efficient code all the time myself, but I openly admit it and and if someone tells me how to improve it, I definately check it out. You are right, I don't know for sure how you can customize this board. AFAIK all you can do is insert one header and one footer. Thats why I questions those two "can't change" code segments youre talking about. I might be all wrong, because I can only guess how it works. You accused me to only post "relevant" features, so I only posted non-feature code. I was talking about removing useless codes, not making preexisting codes more efficient. If you want to completely rewrite half the forum codes to make them better, be my guest.Thats why I did it for him... I'd do it for all the 5 people (blind guess) that have way to huge signatures. The thing is, if they don't care I can't do anything. It just seems like a rather bad rule to have. If someone has too large a signature, we can simply advise them to compress it, and keep annoying them about it, but we can't exactly make it a rule.How can I turn off javascript only for proboards without noscript? I'm eager to learn. I meant for all pages, not just for proboards. If you want to access other pages with javascript on, noscript would be best.Well noheaders would be a HUGE help, if I wouldn't have to append it to every new page I load. But youre right, I might use that, code a Greasemonkey script to append it to every link or mod my proxy to always append it... both will probably still be faster and I can GM the spoiler tags back in (those are actually quite useful). That's what I was thinking, Greasemonkey. I think someone's made that script before.Oh, and Disgorged, we already have full backups on the headers, regularly. If a code does not work out we can simply roll back the headers. Great idea, we're already doing it minus the other forum.
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Post by disabled on Jun 10, 2010 22:54:29 GMT
To sum it up, you have no idea what youre talking about, but accuse me of being wrong?
...accuse me of being wrong twice.
Browsers like what? I only checked on my test proboards forum, but that forum looks like using perfectly valid 20 year old HTML techniques to do polls. Even IE4 should interpret it just fine.
I never suggested a rewrite of code, all I suggested was remove (JS) code (and use plain HTML, no added line needed).
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 10, 2010 23:08:43 GMT
Actually, the Submit button in polls doesn't work for many users with Firefox browsers. Since several members here use (or at least indicated in the past that they used) Firefox, several members are incapable of using polls. That is why we generally make "polls" in our posts rather than using the polling function provided by ProBoards.
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Post by disabled on Jun 10, 2010 23:17:50 GMT
Hmm Veers, thats interesting. Ever thought about contacting the proboards support? They should be interested in stuff like that.
Oh and I forgot some points with qwerty:
What the anti-spam code does is add another (second) captcha. Well captcha is the wrong term. It writes a machine readable 8 character long sequence of chars that have to be put in a box. So it is more of a "dumbest possible bot" and not a "computer and human apart" test. But again, if it helps, let it stay. ... just... if I log out and try to post (and disable every extension I have), no second captcha is shown, so I always get an error message from that anti spam code. Did ever a guest post (besides me some time ago, because I worked around it)? Seriously, please try to log out and post something. I wonder if it works, it doesn't for me.
Whatever works... someone just has to do it.
I made a GM script some time ago to remove stuff from the forum. But thanks to NODEADERS I have a much simpler version now that removes a lot more and actually loads less.
*edit* Again polls: You can disallow the creation of polls to normal users (but didn't in all cases). So do that and since there are no polls in this forum yet, that code IS useless. Oh and allow them in the spam board. Or make a test poll somewhere else. I'm still wondering why it shouldn't work.
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 11, 2010 0:44:34 GMT
That is a fair method of doing such process. The only problem being that there are codes which have been known to completely ruin the coding of a forum to an irreversible state. When I suggested a separate forum for testing, I mean that by doing so we already know what the outcome of the new coding will be. That way, we won't have to worry about any unexpected surprises.
Actually, it doesn't even have to be another forum. Just an accessible web-page that has the same template as the forum.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 11, 2010 2:33:13 GMT
Nothing is permanent. Even if a code removes access, we can use NOHEADERS to fix it.
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Post by nmagain on Jul 28, 2010 17:47:31 GMT
I would like a "General games discussion" forum to talk about non-DanBall games
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jul 28, 2010 20:50:00 GMT
Well, we do have a General Talk board, but I guess a sub-board dedicated to non-Dan-Ball games wouldn't be a bad idea...
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Post by nmagain on Jul 29, 2010 13:19:30 GMT
Then do it! :v
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jul 29, 2010 17:33:13 GMT
Well, I would like to get input from others in this board, first...
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Post by nmagain on Jul 30, 2010 10:28:50 GMT
Make a poll?
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Aug 3, 2010 6:19:35 GMT
He's probably made a staff thread about it. Any results so far?
I'd like to see a board like that too. (although I would not like a new category, as we have too many already)
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Post by nmagain on Aug 3, 2010 16:14:17 GMT
Still waiting here,veers!
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Post by Qwerty on Aug 3, 2010 16:54:37 GMT
Sounds like a good board. Two admins approved it, so consider it made.
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