Rectangular Badges from RiftRipper
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Post by Clockwork on Jul 25, 2011 22:44:03 GMT
It came to my attention that Rift Ripper (Monokrome or The Phreak) made a badge shape that fit and looked good. I'm not going to hate on our current badges. But they were much better. Let's see if I can find a picture... (Finally, took 15 minutes of searching my history, stuck out like a sore thumb though, it being named badge_admin.png. Thank god Rift doesn't twittle on his keyboard aimlessly (Like Memzak and his passwords)). It's very small but if you rowed and stacked these it would look much more organized and in my own opinion. Better, than this weird round badge thing. Of course, I can't ask Rift to do this. But if we could get rock to do it...
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Post by ShiningSilver on Jul 25, 2011 22:48:49 GMT
Rectangular badges would look great! I think this would be a nice direction to expand the badges in, instead of round badges.
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Post by Clockwork on Jul 25, 2011 22:57:57 GMT
Our current layout is fine. But the clashing shapes and the way they fit together make it look unorganized and disfigured. I rather like FoxtrotZero's signature. He keeps them nice and centered...
The rectangular badges would fit tighter and would have some sort of shape. Making it look organized. We can use both set ups. Since rectangular badges are very small and (hopefully) easy to make. Riftripper only made one of them though so I don't know if they are hard to make or not.
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Post by Anonymousperson5 on Jul 25, 2011 23:01:15 GMT
If you had a choice between round and rectangular badges, I'm sure it would work after we got everything sorted out. We'd need to design and then replace. I think it'd be quite tedious but if we got through all, It'd work.
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Post by Clockwork on Jul 25, 2011 23:03:04 GMT
These badges would be a lot easier to make though. And I see no reason to replace the current badges. I think we could just keep the ones we have now and make a choice.
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Post by FoxtrotZero on Jul 25, 2011 23:06:23 GMT
I could deal with round badges as we have now, but I'll admit, I like this rectangular badge idea better. I don't display all of my badges, partially because I don't like them all, and partially because I don't think badges look good on multiple rows. You'll notice I have one badge row, about as wide as my signature image. Personally, I think these badges are a bit too small. I think they should be somewhere between 75x20 and 100x30, instead of 50x15. Keep in mind, those are the minimum and maximum values I propose, not the two exact sizes I propose. Anyway, let it be known throughout the realm that I support this idea, but I think i'm going to take it upon myself to learn some more graphic artistry techniques and make myself a personalized set of rectangular badges. If you had a choice between round and rectangular badges, I'm sure it would work after we got everything sorted out. We'd need to design and then replace. I think it'd be quite tedious but if we got through all, It'd work. Its a factor of choice. Thats why people can use custom-style badges (I don't know that anyone currently uses personalized versions of the standard badge set, but I do know multiple members have custom badges.)
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Post by Clockwork on Jul 25, 2011 23:16:27 GMT
It is a bit small because some names would have to be shortened. So I am going with the 100x30 idea.
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Post by Anonymousperson5 on Jul 25, 2011 23:19:17 GMT
Yeah, but there still might be quite a lot of people who want these...
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Post by Clockwork on Jul 25, 2011 23:22:04 GMT
I have a lot of badges. But I choose not to show them because of the mismatching shapes.
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Post by Rock on Jul 26, 2011 1:04:07 GMT
Okay, here I am, just like you asked.
I have absolutely nothing good to say about this. Not only, to my knowledge, was the project abandoned months ago, but it's just impractical. Archium supports this because he thinks it would be a lot neater than having a bunch oval badges that vary in size because it would allow for the badges to be "stacked" as they are all conform in shape and size. This, for the smaller 50x15 dimension, would not work for two reasons: The names of badges wouldn't fit, and it would be impossible to keep the badge dimensions conform with multiple people creating badges. But wait! Now we're going to use a bigger badge size! That is the size of your new badge. Congrats. And now, for the main point of weakness in this whole argument. Maintaining the dimensions. A long, long time ago, someone named swearingworth created the first badges. These badges were approximately 35-34 pixels wide by 30-31 pixels high, inside a 40x40 box. Now fast forward to today, and we face the problem that makes Omni want these new badges, a problem with the conformity in badge size. Over the years of multiple people designing badges, each had they're own style, which resulted in different sizes. So my question to you is what makes you think that if this becomes the new standard, what is to stop future designers from using their own dimensions. Look, I'm fine if you want to go along and find someone willing to redesign 52 badges in the shape of the block posted above, as long as the oval badges are also designed, but I'm just trying to tell you your cause will eventually prove to be pointless.
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Post by Anonymousperson5 on Jul 26, 2011 1:11:03 GMT
Can't make a purple heart badge with this.
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Post by likep15 on Jul 26, 2011 2:00:12 GMT
The rectangular badges look great. But I prefer the circles.
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Post by Draxorion on Jul 26, 2011 16:18:08 GMT
As of right now, I prefer this idea of rectangular badges... Although, it's a bit unnecessary to size it up a bit too much.
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Post by Clockwork on Jul 26, 2011 17:54:12 GMT
Okay, here I am, just like you asked. I have absolutely nothing good to say about this. Not only, to my knowledge, was the project abandoned months ago, but it's just impractical. Archium supports this because he thinks it would be a lot neater than having a bunch oval badges that vary in size because it would allow for the badges to be "stacked" as they are all conform in shape and size. This, for the smaller 50x15 dimension, would not work for two reasons: The names of badges wouldn't fit, and it would be impossible to keep the badge dimensions conform with multiple people creating badges. But wait! Now we're going to use a bigger badge size!That is the size of your new badge. Congrats. And now, for the main point of weakness in this whole argument. Maintaining the dimensions. A long, long time ago, someone named swearingworth created the first badges. These badges were approximately 35-34 pixels wide by 30-31 pixels high, inside a 40x40 box. Now fast forward to today, and we face the problem that makes Omni want these new badges, a problem with the conformity in badge size. Over the years of multiple people designing badges, each had they're own style, which resulted in different sizes. So my question to you is what makes you think that if this becomes the new standard, what is to stop future designers from using their own dimensions. Look, I'm fine if you want to go along and find someone willing to redesign 52 badges in the shape of the block posted above, as long as the oval badges are also designed, but I'm just trying to tell you your cause will eventually prove to be pointless. Impractical? Project? There was no project at all. Monokrome decided to make a mockup as far as I am concerned. Making once rectangular badge and not making any more does result in an abandoned project. Impractical is the wrong word. If anything, rectangular badges would be easier to organize because the badges would have an absolute size. The circle on the round badges differ. I do agree we should expand the sizes.
The easiest solution is to make sure all graphic artists conform to the following rules about the square or rectangular badges.
- That the badges must all have the same size
- That the badges must all have a border on the outside edge
- That the badges must comply to forum rules and unspoken rules of all badges in general.
Leaving that last rule like one of the last amendments in the bill of rights. Unspoken rules also apply. Just like everything else. Keep the size instead of changing it. That's the purpose of this anyways. It's user choice. It's not like we're taking out round badges or anything. I'd prefer the rectangular badges over the round ones.
The rectangular badges would simply have to be in the same dimensions. The main purpose is to have an organized shape. And if you are uncomfortable about the way they are next to each other. Add a 2 pixel transparent border to have 4 pixels between every badge.
Pointless? It appears to miss the point because you do not understand the point. The point is that the round badges look sloppy compared to a uniform rectangular get up if you start putting your badges in rows and columns. The rectangular badge is just an idea to get around the sloppy look. Consider it more of a preference than a replacement. Like the skin options on Dan Ball V3 Skin.
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Post by GGoodie on Jul 26, 2011 18:06:52 GMT
Rectangular badges are a better idea Over the years of multiple people designing badges, each had they're own style, which resulted in different sizes. So my question to you is what makes you think that if this becomes the new standard, what is to stop future designers from using their own dimensions. Not really. Only 3 people have designed the majority of the badges, those people being me, SW, and you. Unless you did them in the wrong size they should all be about the same
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Post by Rock on Jul 26, 2011 18:20:58 GMT
No, there was indeed a project. Mono was going to design a few of these but never actually got around to it. And if you're trying to organize things, do you realize how much space sig with 30-40 100x30 rectangles is going to take up? One of these badges alone takes up about as much space as two and a half badges.
As to forcing GA's to conform to the dimensions, do you have any idea how hard it would be to do that, force every single person to follow this specifications and then have whoever approved the badge check each one of the candidates? I'm sure they tried to keep the circle badges conform, but you cannot control this sort of thing.
4 Pixels isn't a lot of space, there's about 9-10 pixels between each circle badge.
You realize that in the beginning, all of the badges were conform, right? Because they were all made by the same person. Unless you're planning on having the staff manually check each and every one of these badges, it won't work.
There is nothing stopping you from doing this. Go ahead, recreate all 52 of them. But this is not the sort of thing that you can control.
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Post by Clockwork on Jul 26, 2011 18:55:43 GMT
Forcing GA's to conform to the dimensions? I don't need to force anything. But whoever is making or redoing all of them would just use the same dimensions. Problem solved. Future GA's would also do that. It's not difficult at all. Just tell them to do it. If they screw it up and make it look ugly they shouldn't be the site's GA to begin with.
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Post by Rock on Jul 26, 2011 21:02:19 GMT
Rectangular badges are a better idea Over the years of multiple people designing badges, each had they're own style, which resulted in different sizes. So my question to you is what makes you think that if this becomes the new standard, what is to stop future designers from using their own dimensions. Not really. Only 3 people have designed the majority of the badges, those people being me, SW, and you. Unless you did them in the wrong size they should all be about the same Then who made the Board Owner, Shop Owner, etc. badges? They're all circles and I'm sure I didn't make them. Anyway, Archium, you're missing the point. Yes, whoever makes the first set will obviously make all of them the same size. The next person will probably follow suit. But who's to say, years from now, anyone will remember this thread, someonencomes along after badges haven't been made in a while, and then they use a slightly different set of dimensions. Then the next GA comes along, see ps that badges are different sizes, and uses their own set. And so it begins. I'm not stopping you. Go ahead, make your badge set. All I'm saying is that one day, this whole effort will prove to be just as unorganized as the oval badges.
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Post by Clockwork on Jul 26, 2011 21:39:12 GMT
You assume this forum will be around in a couple of years. Assuming it will. I don't see why anyone would change the dimensions. Do NOT change the dimensions. It should be common knowledge. And it's not difficult. If you want the badge to be a real badge. Make them do it in the right dimensions. If they can't don't accept it.
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Post by FoxtrotZero on Jul 27, 2011 0:55:28 GMT
It is a bit small because some names would have to be shortened. So I am going with the 100x30 idea. 100x30 seems a bit large to me, in hindsight. Okay, here I am, just like you asked.
I have absolutely nothing good to say about this. Not only, to my knowledge, was the project abandoned months ago, but it's just impractical. Archium supports this because he thinks it would be a lot neater than having a bunch oval badges that vary in size because it would allow for the badges to be "stacked" as they are all conform in shape and size. This, for the smaller 50x15 dimension, would not work for two reasons: The names of badges wouldn't fit, and it would be impossible to keep the badge dimensions conform with multiple people creating badges. But wait! Now we're going to use a bigger badge size! That is the size of your new badge. Congrats. And now, for the main point of weakness in this whole argument. Maintaining the dimensions. A long, long time ago, someone named swearingworth created the first badges. These badges were approximately 35-34 pixels wide by 30-31 pixels high, inside a 40x40 box. Now fast forward to today, and we face the problem that makes Omni want these new badges, a problem with the conformity in badge size. Over the years of multiple people designing badges, each had they're own style, which resulted in different sizes. So my question to you is what makes you think that if this becomes the new standard, what is to stop future designers from using their own dimensions. Look, I'm fine if you want to go along and find someone willing to redesign 52 badges in the shape of the block posted above, as long as the oval badges are also designed, but I'm just trying to tell you your cause will eventually prove to be pointless. I'm pretty sure your arguement is blown out of the water by my nice new set of 70x20 badges, which look absolutely fine, nice and neat.
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Post by Clockwork on Jul 27, 2011 1:12:15 GMT
Yes they do, keeping in mind that these were not made by a graphics artist they are still amazing. I love every one of them Fox. A good example of how rectangle badges fit together nicer than the traditional round ones.
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Post by Anonymousperson5 on Jul 27, 2011 1:31:34 GMT
They look beautiful! Although I am a bit confused. They look nice but I think they should still reflect what they represent. And I still don't know how one could make a purple heart badge with this...
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jul 27, 2011 2:21:36 GMT
A rectangle with an icon of a purple heart attached to a ribbon on the left side inside the rectangle, with the text "Purple" centered on top of the text "Heart" in the right side of the rectangle, perhaps?
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Post by Rock on Jul 27, 2011 2:27:49 GMT
I think that was his suggestion for the Purple Heart.
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Post by Qwerty on Jul 27, 2011 3:52:26 GMT
Wait, all those badges were made that quickly? Neat. I guess that side of the issue is out of the way.
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Post by monokr0me on Jul 27, 2011 3:54:37 GMT
Tempy, those are fox's personal badges. A set of rectangular badges is yet to be made.
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Post by Rock on Jul 27, 2011 3:59:34 GMT
Not to mention the fact that he only made 21 out of 52 badges. Unless he's just not displaying them.
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Post by Qwerty on Jul 27, 2011 10:29:25 GMT
What I mean is that if he can make his personal badges so quickly, then it's realistic for us to remake ours.
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Post by likep15 on Jul 27, 2011 18:18:34 GMT
Those look real awesome.
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Post by FoxtrotZero on Jul 27, 2011 20:40:54 GMT
I appreciate all of the compliments, guys. They look beautiful! Although I am a bit confused. They look nice but I think they should still reflect what they represent. And I still don't know how one could make a purple heart badge with this... They do. I'll admit, because this is my personal set of badges, that the meanings can be a bit more obscure (such as Black Hat or What Goes Around being for Programmer or Karma), but if you're talking visual, then you'd probably have to completely redo the visual style. I want to point out that, when I was looking through the current round badges, it really wasn't until Rock started making badges that the background had a whole lot to do with the badge's purpose. I think that was his suggestion for the Purple Heart. This is my Purple Heart badge, yes. You'll notice its the only one in Purple, and the image title is "Fox-Badge_Purple-Heart.png" Wait, all those badges were made that quickly? Neat. I guess that side of the issue is out of the way. It really only took me two days, and thats just because of how late I started them. They were pretty simple to make, and you could probably roll them out in a matter of hours, maximum. Tempy, those are fox's personal badges. A set of rectangular badges is yet to be made. Indeed. These are my badges. If someone does make a set of badges, I can't blame them for using the same size (70x20 is rather optimum, methinks), but I should hope they're in a different visual style. Not to mention the fact that he only made 21 out of 52 badges. Unless he's just not displaying them. Indeed, I only made 21 badges. Because this is my personal set, I didn't have a need to make badges I wouldn't display or hadn't earned. Doesn't change the fact that it's just shy of half of the badges in less than a day's time. I was, in fact, going to make a set of number badges (5, 10, 20; Handfull, Double Digits, Score) and then a 'trademark' 21-badge badge (under the title of Blackjack). But the number badges have little purpose and I'm not known for displaying them, so I decided against it. Yeah, very nice, but how to they represent what they are for in any way? Well, I don't believe they really have to. If you want them to display their purpose in a style similar to userbars - which might be difficult given size constraints (It wasn't until I was putting the text on the badges that I realised the age-old practice I should have followed of making these things larger and then shrinking them, but if I had done that and made the text too small, it would be illegible) you should probably be talking to a graphic artist proper, which I am not. Obviously, meaning can be found in the labels, and I assigned backgrounds and background colours based on the meaning. For example, Black Hat and Chat Moderator are green, Bloody Rich is red, Classic and From Sunrise... are gold, and Casualty is the only purple one. Not that it has a whole lot of meaning to anyone but me - its kinda subtle - but you can see that there is room for it.
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