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Post by GGoodie on Jun 13, 2011 6:01:08 GMT
The default was originally the Dan-Ball one, but it was changed to the Classic theme. However, old members still have theirs set to Dan-Ball before they switch.
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Post by Robert on Jun 13, 2011 12:30:50 GMT
Are... you asking those who don't like this skin to come up with a better/alternate design?
BTW I really think saying "you can change colors" is sort of a way to avoid solving the problem...
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 13, 2011 14:04:49 GMT
Yes, I have been asking that, although I'm offering to do the work of actually making the design once I know what everyone wants me to design. If anyone wants to do it themselves, then, provided a majority don't have any fruitful complaints, I will use that design instead...
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Post by Rock on Jun 13, 2011 19:17:01 GMT
No one has yet to answer my question of what was wrong with the old skin.
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Post by GGoodie on Jun 13, 2011 20:18:43 GMT
No one has yet to answer my question of what was wrong with the old skin. Yes we have BTW I really think saying "you can change colors" is sort of a way to avoid solving the problem... No it isn't. I've already talked about this with you. The Dan-Ball colors are awful and there isn't anything we can do about that. The thing is, there are several color schemes that were made BEFORE the dan-ball one was decided upon that we let you choose from. It isn't avoiding anything. The original colors of the design were the Atlantic Coast theme, not the Dan-Ball colors. Multiple color schemes were one of the main features I talked about when I first started making the skin; it isn't like we just put those in there because people were complaining.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 13, 2011 21:00:38 GMT
Rock, I will answer your questions by going over my requirements and preferences. I really think we should have a different skin. Maybe not this current one, especially since it has its flaws and is too unpopular, but something different from what we had nevertheless. There are some important requirements for whatever gets designed, some of these thanks to comments I have read from users who posted on this thread: - The code should be relatively clean and organized so that those who must edit the H/F don't have a high chance of screwing everything over on accident.
The old skin is the prime example of "scary code" that could be instantly destroyed on accident if any aspect of the layout were to be changed by someone who didn't make the code.
- The code should be easy to implement.
The old skin required significant JavaScript and some CSS, and was not all in one place of the H/F. It had to be implemented for us.
- The code should have a minimum of conflicts with other Proboards codes, although I realize there will be times when the Proboards codes are too klutzy.
- All aspects of the mini profile that we have had should be kept, such as display of Dan-Balls, karma, and so forth.
- Important buttons and functions should not be difficult to find. This was apparently a problem with the old skin for new members.
The requirement itself is explicitly a problem with the old skin. Read it.
- There should be some reminder that we have our roots in Dan-Ball and Ha55ii.
- The design should not interfere with the ability to read the forum.
- The design should rely only on a minimum of images that must be loaded.
Do you know how many images had to be created and added to the forum just for that skin?
These are some perks that would be nice to have: - The design should rely on a minimum of code.
The old skin used a bit of code.
- Registered users should be able to choose from a selection of different color schemes.
The old skin didn't have this, and as difficult as it would be to make many, many different colored images, the old skin wouldn't be getting color selection any time soon.
- Registered users should be able to choose from a selection of different layouts.
The old skin is only one layout.
- The design should not turn users into trolls or make existing trolls even worse.
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Post by monokr0me on Jun 14, 2011 17:50:02 GMT
I have begun work on n alternate theme in case James's plan does not go through.
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 14, 2011 18:44:46 GMT
Monokr0me, is there by any chance it could be a group project, with various users who the community feels are the most advanced in terms of graphic design? I'm sure something impressive would come out of it.
As for 'James's plan', I fully support this. The pictures he has shown us of his test forum are most impressive.
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Post by kuraikiba on Jun 14, 2011 20:35:05 GMT
I would be interested to see how chat and profiles would be affected.
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Post by Draxorion on Jun 15, 2011 2:24:29 GMT
I noticed that I was unable to see a certain color of blue text. Some problem with my own, maybe?
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Post by Rock on Jun 15, 2011 2:28:32 GMT
Well, what theme are you using and what browser are you using?
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 16, 2011 13:51:37 GMT
Solemn sky, but I dunno about the browser. I believe Firefox.
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Post by Robert on Jun 18, 2011 19:17:46 GMT
Sorry for the lack of replying for the past few days.
How are we on this thus far?
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Post by Rock on Jun 18, 2011 19:40:17 GMT
Still stuck on v3 -_-
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 18, 2011 20:43:52 GMT
I doubt we are going to revert back to the V2 skin. Coupled with the "Mess of coding" it is and with new software in development to test, there's a strong chance the previous skin will be lost in the forum archives.
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Post by Rock on Jun 18, 2011 20:58:22 GMT
I know. That's why I said stuck.
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Post by Qwerty333 on Jun 19, 2011 2:49:44 GMT
I don't want to be a "troll", but in my opinion, the old skin was great and I didn't see anything wrong with it.
EDIT: Cobalt is okay.
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Post by Robert on Jun 19, 2011 18:42:58 GMT
For your information, Version 5 of Proboards will be coming soon (I cannot say as I'm an Alpha tester and would be kicked out) but it will be improving everything drastically.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 19, 2011 19:23:24 GMT
Improving is good, but what of code changes? It could just break the old skin utterly.
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Post by xShadowLordx on Jun 20, 2011 1:14:12 GMT
...All I really have to say here is that, like Rock, I believe the old skin was absolutely perfect. We could not have asked for a better skin than V2. You know the old saying. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
On that note---at least before Proboards 5 comes out---I see absolutely no reason why there would be any difficulty in scrapping this skin and bringing back V2. Ideally, somebody would have backed up the old codes beforehand. If so, its just a matter of deleting the current ones, and then copying and pasting the old one back in.
But if nobody ever thought to back up the old coding, then, well, we're screwed. We'll just have to wait for Proboards 5 and then get a whole new skin.
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Post by Rock on Jun 20, 2011 1:26:45 GMT
Yeah, no, Veers backed up both the skin and the H/F or HTML or something like that. But let's not forget we still have the skin on the old forum.
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Post by xShadowLordx on Jun 20, 2011 1:29:44 GMT
Yeah, no, Veers backed up both the skin and the H/F or HTML or something like that. But let's not forget we still have the skin on the old forum. So what exactly is the problem with bringing it back?
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 20, 2011 1:38:02 GMT
Yeah, no, Veers backed up both the skin and the H/F or HTML or something like that. But let's not forget we still have the skin on the old forum. So what exactly is the problem with bringing it back? The coding of the v2 skin is extremely difficult to modify without breaking something. Also, this forum is much, much more streamlined in terms of coding.
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Post by Rock on Jun 20, 2011 1:48:51 GMT
Yeah, but it's an eyesore. Is an unpopular skin with better coding really worth it?
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 20, 2011 23:02:59 GMT
In the poll, it was only marginally unpopular. Not much. If it was more unpopular, it wouldn't be worth keeping.
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Post by xShadowLordx on Jun 20, 2011 23:25:15 GMT
So what exactly is the problem with bringing it back? The coding of the v2 skin is extremely difficult to modify without breaking something. Also, this forum is much, much more streamlined in terms of coding. So??? How many times did somebody break it while trying to modify something? As far as I can recall, no one ever had any such problems with it.
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Post by Rock on Jun 20, 2011 23:43:20 GMT
I can't remember anything like that either.
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 21, 2011 1:10:56 GMT
The coding of the v2 skin is extremely difficult to modify without breaking something. Also, this forum is much, much more streamlined in terms of coding. So??? How many times did somebody break it while trying to modify something? As far as I can recall, no one ever had any such problems with it. That is the problem. There were no major times in which the v2 skin broke because there was no effective way to modify it in order to make it more appealing. As far as I can see, this new skin is an attempt to make the forum more appealing to guest and potential members (which it apparently fails to do). Yet even though this may be the case, the same problem was in the v2 skin. This new skin was an effort to increase the amount of activity on the site and make it more appealing, which the v2 skin seemed to fail to do. Regardless of whether you liked the previous skin, there is still the issue of whether it was enticing to potential members or not.
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Post by Rock on Jun 21, 2011 1:45:45 GMT
well it was apparently more "enticing" than this one!
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 21, 2011 1:52:28 GMT
Do you want me to work on some possible skins now, or shall I wait for everyone to try Chronologik's forum software? I have a few ideas in mind, although they would be for ProBoards forums...
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