Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 13, 2011 14:04:49 GMT
Yes, I have been asking that, although I'm offering to do the work of actually making the design once I know what everyone wants me to design. If anyone wants to do it themselves, then, provided a majority don't have any fruitful complaints, I will use that design instead...
BTW I really think saying "you can change colors" is sort of a way to avoid solving the problem...
No it isn't. I've already talked about this with you. The Dan-Ball colors are awful and there isn't anything we can do about that. The thing is, there are several color schemes that were made BEFORE the dan-ball one was decided upon that we let you choose from. It isn't avoiding anything. The original colors of the design were the Atlantic Coast theme, not the Dan-Ball colors. Multiple color schemes were one of the main features I talked about when I first started making the skin; it isn't like we just put those in there because people were complaining.
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I really think we should have a different skin. Maybe not this current one, especially since it has its flaws and is too unpopular, but something different from what we had nevertheless.
There are some important requirements for whatever gets designed, some of these thanks to comments I have read from users who posted on this thread:
The code should be relatively clean and organized so that those who must edit the H/F don't have a high chance of screwing everything over on accident. The old skin is the prime example of "scary code" that could be instantly destroyed on accident if any aspect of the layout were to be changed by someone who didn't make the code.
The code should have a minimum of conflicts with other Proboards codes, although I realize there will be times when the Proboards codes are too klutzy.
All aspects of the mini profile that we have had should be kept, such as display of Dan-Balls, karma, and so forth.
Important buttons and functions should not be difficult to find. This was apparently a problem with the old skin for new members. The requirement itself is explicitly a problem with the old skin. Read it.
There should be some reminder that we have our roots in Dan-Ball and Ha55ii.
The design should not interfere with the ability to read the forum.
The design should rely only on a minimum of images that must be loaded. Do you know how many images had to be created and added to the forum just for that skin?
These are some perks that would be nice to have:
The design should rely on a minimum of code. The old skin used a bit of code.
Registered users should be able to choose from a selection of different color schemes. The old skin didn't have this, and as difficult as it would be to make many, many different colored images, the old skin wouldn't be getting color selection any time soon.
Registered users should be able to choose from a selection of different layouts. The old skin is only one layout.
The design should not turn users into trolls or make existing trolls even worse.
Monokr0me, is there by any chance it could be a group project, with various users who the community feels are the most advanced in terms of graphic design? I'm sure something impressive would come out of it.
As for 'James's plan', I fully support this. The pictures he has shown us of his test forum are most impressive.
I doubt we are going to revert back to the V2 skin. Coupled with the "Mess of coding" it is and with new software in development to test, there's a strong chance the previous skin will be lost in the forum archives.
...All I really have to say here is that, like Rock, I believe the old skin was absolutely perfect. We could not have asked for a better skin than V2. You know the old saying. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
On that note---at least before Proboards 5 comes out---I see absolutely no reason why there would be any difficulty in scrapping this skin and bringing back V2. Ideally, somebody would have backed up the old codes beforehand. If so, its just a matter of deleting the current ones, and then copying and pasting the old one back in.
But if nobody ever thought to back up the old coding, then, well, we're screwed. We'll just have to wait for Proboards 5 and then get a whole new skin.
The coding of the v2 skin is extremely difficult to modify without breaking something. Also, this forum is much, much more streamlined in terms of coding.
So??? How many times did somebody break it while trying to modify something? As far as I can recall, no one ever had any such problems with it.
That is the problem. There were no major times in which the v2 skin broke because there was no effective way to modify it in order to make it more appealing. As far as I can see, this new skin is an attempt to make the forum more appealing to guest and potential members (which it apparently fails to do). Yet even though this may be the case, the same problem was in the v2 skin.
This new skin was an effort to increase the amount of activity on the site and make it more appealing, which the v2 skin seemed to fail to do. Regardless of whether you liked the previous skin, there is still the issue of whether it was enticing to potential members or not.