Are members respected?

I assume you mean judging contests? Well...it's just a matter of trust. If we let ordinary members judge, anything can happen, like biased votes, poorly judged decisions, etc. Oh, and btw, I'm moving this thread to About the Forum-it doesn't belong here.

I know that some of you hobbits are trustworthy, but some of you just aren't. What if Listo got back onto the forums with a new name and IP address? And elected Lag in disguise to be a judge? They would destroy the contest, and probably do more than that if they ever got back on. We don't allow it for the same reason why we don't allow normal members have access to the things staff have access to. Some idiot would destroy the forums. Ever hear of

"One bad apple spoils the bunch."
--My Grandma

Three? I only found two.

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Although I do agree with the notion that staff only should judge. Members are respected, but they can't always be trusted. (As in they sometimes trolololoolololol) On bad apple spoils the bunch. Yes.

Meh, sounds complicated but ok. It was much simpler if judges were just staff, but staff do take quite a while...

SO this solution is ok.

Well it is less complicated that way and I do like less complication... but I also like being able to choose...

I can live with only staff being judges, but it would be nice if we could judge too.

Dude did you not get what I just said?If there are too many staff,everyone will have to much power and we cant let that happen especially with nm.

I believe (most) members are respected by the staff, but to me it seems some staff enjoys the two-class society in this forum.
IMO staff is supposed to merge doubleposts, move threads to appropriate forums, delete the occasional nonsense thread, warn/ban users, care about the forum code & DBs,... but thats about it.

If there is a special event, let the users participate equally. Contests can be judged by normal users, MotMs can be voted on by users, everything that doesn't need mod privileges can be done by users. In those cases you should of course see, that everything works in a proper way, like discuss about rules for contests and MotM. And mods are even allowed to force their opinion and rules on us in some cases, but they better are good reasoned. "Its a mod thing, thread closed" is not a good reason BTW.

In the last 24 hours there were 6 staff members online and 40 Members. Thats 1 staff for 6.5 members. Other forums I visit have a quote of around 1:1000. And to be honest, when there are thousands of members I don't care if the admin is an idiot, because they are much less likely to post in the threads I'm interested in.

So if you don't want us to feel like second class citizens, don't try to be moderatators, try to be members with moderating capabilities.


On a sidenote, I'm pretty annoyed by people who would like to be moderators and post something like "memzak locked" but they of course can't lock topics (for good).

What? "They second class"? What I meant was, we the non-staff guys are second class and the staff is first class.


Thats a good description.

I don't really understand what you meant with the rest of your post.

And because I probably forgot to mention: Not every mod is like that all the time, but most of them are like that sometimes... at least thats how I feel.

I admit that users don't have the capability to ban, although a forum of all staff would be necessary to allow all members to ban, and not all members are trustworthy enough to be entrusted with bans (e.g. the ones who require bans), and staff are rule enforcers that occasionally require bans to do so. Is everyone a police officer, the law enforcement of society? Not only that, but anyone who knows anything about the person about to be banned can always voice his concerns and contribute any testimonies that pertain to the user about to be banned, thereby contributing to the judicial process. Indeed, one or two users took advantage of that right in the Neutral Chat while discussing with Kuraikiba his various convictions.

I admit that users are not capable, as of yet, of judging, although that is under discussion now.

I disagree that users can't decide what on this forum should change. I am always listening to new ideas (e.g. this), and have even implemented a few changes desired by new members or otherwise took advice from members more qualified than myself (e.g. when modifying the H/F, when making some of the new badges, when publicizing the nomination process for MotM, etc.). Why, the forum even has a thread specifically made for receiving suggestions from members.

Besides, you are failing to take into account the surprise factor. Would you rather win an award because all your friends publicly voted for you, or because one day you logged in and saw the announcement?

We take all the suggestions people want, but some things are better left a surprise.

Besides, I see two flaws with that plan: Finding a properly secured chat, and judging contests on it. With the current contest system nothing short of a board will suffice.

Although I must agree that it would make it go much faster.

As to saying the staff enjoy a two-party system and consider "regular members" like Memzak to be useless is just plain insulting. We have the highest regard in many of our members. Many would be staff, if we didn't have too many staff already, as Disabled has pointed out.

Members are treated as they should be: The core of the forum. Everything (okay, maybe not EVERYTHING) we do is essentially for you guys. If it wasn't we would only allow staff to participate in contests and shops and the pumpkin hunt. Do you think any of those would be possible if staff existed soley to ban people?

If you think staff don't care about the members, you seriously need to take a look around. Oh, and remove the badges, not use the shop, give back any dan-balls earned from contests or pumpkin findings, ignore the MOTM...

Because you ARE shit.

,and Veers please don't try and change the subject.

Should we punish him for flaming Nmagain?

I agree with Veers, but we need SOME sort of entry requirements.

My post says that Administrators work hard for the Forum but the current Moderators screw up (MF and Rock maybe not that much but the others do).

By normal members I mean, well, member, which, as Qwerty stated, are the core of the forum. We're all technically members, so I just needed something to (please do not be offended by this) classify members from staff.