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Post by D_M-01 on Feb 24, 2011 2:13:54 GMT
One of the most disturbing things I have seen to come out of the human race is the issue of war. I do not understand why one must waste and consume the materials of the Earth so that another may suffer, simply because of refusing to coexist with another one's beliefs, race, religion, sex, etc. I see this observation and conclude it as a profound ignorance that has gone on since the human race developed.
Albeit, I understand that war may be necessary to protect national security and aggressive advances from other regions, but the thought still stands: Why, exactly? Does this issue go all the way back to Darwin's "survival of the fittest" quote? This would make sense, because in nature that is the only way one survives. But we are different from this nature, given our ability of reasoning and logical thinking.
I see the reasons for war when it is not to protect as either a) A superiority complex brought about by experiences in early development as a child, or b) An ignorance as to the beliefs and differences of others, or perhaps a combination of both.
In a sense, it saddens me to see this cycle. I have heard stories of my grandfather who witnessed the horrid reality of war. These experiences leave permanent scars, both to the body and the mind, for something as simple as to change the mindset of another people.
I ask you this: What are your opinions of war, and why it occurs and, if so, why it is necessary?
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Post by kuraikiba on Feb 24, 2011 2:18:09 GMT
I've truly wondered this all my life. War is murder of those who are different. If Hell exists, it'd be not much worse than war. I've heard of the most horrifying things be a result of this petulance. I disown my country, for their willingness to murder without any reason, their pure hatred of difference, and their saddening ignorance. I always wonder what a peaceful world would be like... but sadly it is a pipe dream even beyond me.
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Post by monokr0me on Feb 24, 2011 2:18:52 GMT
War occurs because of loss of control, anger, arrogance, ignorance, etc. It is a natural thing, although it has been pushed to a massive scale by humans. It is generally brought upon millions to suffer by the act of a handful of men. It is sad, but unpreventable.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Feb 24, 2011 2:19:22 GMT
War may be desired for one way that you would understand if you read 1984 by George Orwell...
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Post by kuraikiba on Feb 24, 2011 2:21:16 GMT
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
War is peace
Two are true. Freedom makes you a slave to your desires, and most things are better not known. War, however, is simple an attempt of justification of murder.
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Post by D_M-01 on Feb 24, 2011 2:22:08 GMT
I think I have that book. I might go read it later...
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Feb 24, 2011 2:53:47 GMT
Freedom is slavery Ignorance is strength War is peace Two are true. Freedom makes you a slave to your desires, and most things are better not known. War, however, is simple an attempt of justification of murder. Have you read any of the part about when Winston is interrogated by O'Brien? That's the part to which I really allude, especially when O'Brien talks about the book and then the party's true purpose... |
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Post by Artifact123 on Feb 24, 2011 10:18:13 GMT
It's all about being as stubborn as possible. Humans want to be big assholes and have other Humans respect them.
Or maybe because of economic reasons. The united states would be very poor if the car or phone had never been invented there. And even WITH all that stuff they gain millions with they are still in crisis. It's the reason why Afghanistan got attacked. Because there are goodies under the blood-stained ground.
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Post by Qwerty on Feb 24, 2011 14:32:46 GMT
I'm just gonna come right out and say it. When I saw the title, my first thought was "warfare with humans" and I had a rather funny picture of two soldiers having a sword fight with people in my mind.
Of course, we must also consider cultural indoctrination and xenophobia. On purpose or not, the majority of us have lived our entire lives in a single culture (usually American, but this applies elsewhere). As such we often, purposefully or not, think of other cultures as strange, or unusual, etc. As such, we don't see to have as much of a problem bombing foreigners relative to bombing ourselves.
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Post by GloveParty on Feb 27, 2011 1:07:04 GMT
One of the arguments I've seen is that war is murder of people who are different. However, it's not, and I hate when people just say that. Whereas it is true that war is not something to be liked or anything. Consider this: The American revolution: The American colonists were not much different than the British rulers, indeed, they came from Britain. Also, civil wars. splits of countries. I can't think of very many wars that are actually started by xenophobia. Really the only one right now that I can think of is the war between Israel and Hamas.
Wars may have many other reasons than xenophobia or greed. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were not caused by greed. They were a coutnerstrike by America after the events of Septemper 11, 2001.
As hated as they (wars) may be, they aren't just ways for the people starting them to justify murder. The American colonists in the American Revolution weren't trying to justify murder. They were trying to gain their freedom. King George the Third wasn't trying to justify murder. He was actually trying to keep control of the colonies. American Civil War. The Union was trying to keep their country together, not justify murder. The Confederacy was trying to secede because they disagreed with very many of the policies of the Union, like slavery, which is horrible, although was not thought by them.
I believe that war is not to be celebrated, although has many, many, many more causes when not to protect than xenophobia, greed, and superiority complexes. It's necessary to push the reasons. THat's why the war was started. the wars in Iraq in Afghanistan were started to purge terrorism, a threat to us( the Americans, sorry, not used to talking on something international) , and to free Iraq and Afghanistan from the rule of the terrorists. We were successful in Iraq. And contrary to popular belief America is winnig Afghanistan. I am not opposed to continuing those wars. Indeed I support them. I believe they're justified.
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Post by monokr0me on Mar 3, 2011 3:31:07 GMT
One of the arguments I've seen is that war is murder of people who are different. However, it's not, and I hate when people just say that. Whereas it is true that war is not something to be liked or anything. Consider this: The American revolution: The American colonists were not much different than the British rulers, indeed, they came from Britain. Also, civil wars. splits of countries. I can't think of very many wars that are actually started by xenophobia. Really the only one right now that I can think of is the war between Israel and Hamas. Wars may have many other reasons than xenophobia or greed. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were not caused by greed. They were a coutnerstrike by America after the events of Septemper 11, 2001. As hated as they (wars) may be, they aren't just ways for the people starting them to justify murder. The American colonists in the American Revolution weren't trying to justify murder. They were trying to gain their freedom. King George the Third wasn't trying to justify murder. He was actually trying to keep control of the colonies. American Civil War. The Union was trying to keep their country together, not justify murder. The Confederacy was trying to secede because they disagreed with very many of the policies of the Union, like slavery, which is horrible, although was not thought by them. . The war in that case, as in many others, was not to kill because of differences in culture; Rather, it was to earn what the colonists believed had been unfairly taken from them by an unfit ruler. If you provoke anybody enoguh, they WILL fight back. The way they fight back is influenced by the charisma of others. Ergo, one charismatic leader can spark an entire rebellion, as has happened in many cases in history. |
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Post by GloveParty on Apr 16, 2011 4:47:16 GMT
Ya know, the ONLY war I can think of because of unwillingness to accept differneces is Israel vs Hamas, and some othe Middleeastern wars.
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Post by Qwerty on Apr 16, 2011 5:38:25 GMT
Silly quote, perhaps, and I'm not so much a fan of quoting the most recent 'Hitchhiker's book', but it has a slight point.
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Post by mdog95 on Apr 25, 2011 2:14:55 GMT
THIS is the cause of every single war known to man... Are you ready? GREED AND RELIGION. My History paper is going to be on this subject actually. Don't know when it's due yet though... Or what I'm supposed to do... My teacher is just awful.
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Post by ganondorfchampin on May 7, 2011 20:25:35 GMT
I'm just gonna come right out and say it. When I saw the title, my first thought was "warfare with humans" and I had a rather funny picture of two soldiers having a sword fight with people in my mind. Of course, we must also consider cultural indoctrination and xenophobia. On purpose or not, the majority of us have lived our entire lives in a single culture (usually American, but this applies elsewhere). As such we often, purposefully or not, think of other cultures as strange, or unusual, etc. As such, we don't see to have as much of a problem bombing foreigners relative to bombing ourselves. I have lived in several different cultures and all I can say is this "Peoples is peoples". If you have actually met people from other cultures you learn stereotypes are retarded and every culture has people from all sorts of personalities. I find it no easier to act someone from another culture than my own. I'd actually probably find it EASIER to attack someone from my own culture. |
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Post by Qwerty on May 7, 2011 20:36:49 GMT
Yes, and that is how it SHOULD be. Unfortunately, not everyone is as culturally sensitive as you are.
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Post by Alonso on May 8, 2011 15:53:19 GMT
Probably in the near future they will use simulation armies.
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Post by Draxorion on May 28, 2011 7:28:05 GMT
I don't think that would be accurate, if we used technology to win our wars... Wouldn't it be something like... Hacking, to provide a problem? Unless you want our computers to boast connection speeds against each other to see which ones can run something faster, or to have error fixing times, and things as the like.
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