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Post by nmagain on Jun 6, 2012 13:11:05 GMT
Iza and I discussed this last night, we really need to demote some of our inactive, unresepected, and trollbait mods. Here's the list we have: Rock - Inactive as shit TSL - Inactive as shit Machpunch - Not respected enough + Trollbait + Not very active VIROS - Inactive as shit
we should reopen staff apps now (or make it by vote)
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Post by Zrined on Jun 6, 2012 14:33:45 GMT
Uh, it doesn't matter if they are respected or not, they should be.
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Post by nmagain on Jun 6, 2012 15:38:58 GMT
Uh, it doesn't matter if they are respected or not, they should be. If they can't earn respect, they don't deserve to be mods.
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Post by Zrined on Jun 6, 2012 21:04:50 GMT
That is completely false, that's like saying if no one likes the police, we shouldn't have them.
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Post by nmagain on Jun 6, 2012 22:41:32 GMT
That is completely false, that's like saying if no one likes the police, we shouldn't have them. Except that we're not police, we're a small community with a small amount of members and hand-picked moderators, replacing unrespected/inactive mods shouldn't really be a problem here.
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Post by izacque on Jun 6, 2012 22:49:00 GMT
> Izacque and I
I barely contributed to your "discussion."
As for respect, I believe it does matter. Why do you respect the police? 1) It's real life. You're not anonymous. You are personally responsible for all of your actions. 2) They have guns, and the power to arrest, and tasers. They have a big stick to enforce the law. 3) Getting arrested has real consequences. Getting a job is harder, being respected and accepted is harder.
Now let's look at chat. 1) It's the internet. No one gives a shit about what you say. We might know your name, and have some pics, but we still don't really know who you are. You're still effectively anonymous, and don't have to answer for your actions. 2) Chat mods have two weapons. Post delete, and ban. Those are not guns. Those are not tasers. You really have no reason to be afraid of us. 3) Being banned for a week means absolutely nothing. It's just an annoying deterrent we use to try and keep you in line. Your life will not be any harder if you're a 10-times-convicted felon of the DanBall Forum community.
We don't respect the police because they're popular. We respect them because they have the power to fuck us up. Chatmods don't have that power. There's no reason to respect them.
However, one great thing about humans is that power isn't the only thing we respect. We also respect good people. Priok is a good person, and a great chat mod. When Priok says, "Please stop the rude language!", people stop. He doesn't delete posts. He doesn't threaten to ban people. People stop because priok is respected. He's a great chat mod because of the efficiency his respect gives him.
Now there are other mods, who don't get this respect. If they tell someone to stop talking about some inappropriate topic, the person will begin to argue, or worse, troll. If anything, the situation just gets worse. Being a respected member plays a huge rule in being an effective chat mod. And, completely dis-respected members actually make chat worse. Think about it.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 7, 2012 0:08:31 GMT
Rock's here but only idles, so yeah, removable. TSL is actually here pretty often, as is VIROS, so no point removing them. Mach also still goes here often, in fact he's in chat right now.
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Post by nmagain on Jun 7, 2012 1:18:32 GMT
You know, TSL and Viros are GLOBAL MODS, they should be more active than your perspective of "active", like, actually really active, top 10 active. and when was their last action as a moderator? some uninformed post in the ban board? (yes, i'm talking about rock's post in that thread about me) And activity doesn't even matter in Mach's case, he is un-respected and quite a trollbait, I think everyone agrees with that.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 7, 2012 1:33:41 GMT
Mach's hardly a trollbait. He's a useful chat mod that keeps track of stuff on the chat. If he's banned you, it's likely because you were being Nmagane, and we all know what that's like.
Anyway, there's not really any staff activity on the forum. As I said in another thread, the last thing we did in the staff board was long ago. That said, Mach is still active on the ban board.
If by activity you only mean staff activity, then yes, TSL and VIROS would also count as demotion-worthy. Mach, however, is still active both as a chatter and as a staff member.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 7, 2012 3:26:14 GMT
Well, in the case that there are not many rule violations, staff activity overall would be low. It would be quite difficult to determine whether some staff member who does regularly attend the forum is inactive with regard to his duties if he never has the need or chance to exercise his duties, wouldn't it? It would be easy to determine when the staff member rarely attends the forum at all and when, over an extended period of time when there are many staff discussions and rule violations, the staff member in question doesn't contribute to any of them - especially staff discussions, where input from all staff is desirable.
That said, I know that TheShadowLord comes on at least 3/4 as often as I do hour-for-hour, if not more, and he regularly contributes both to the forum and specifically to staff discussions whenever they occur. V.I.R.O.S. seems to do the same. I have to admit that I haven't seem much from Rock as I have from TheShadowLord and V.I.R.O.S., although I have seen Rock come on recently in chat. I don't know enough about MachPunch's activity to say anything about it, and I don't know what to say about the respect.
Since you seem to know, might I ask what it is that makes him a supposed "unrespected trollbait"?
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Post by nmagain on Jun 7, 2012 12:03:52 GMT
Since you seem to know, might I ask what it is that makes him a supposed "unrespected trollbait"? Try reading the last bit of Iza's post, he causes dumb arguments every time he gets on that ends in him getting trolled and really... irritated, and he's generally unrespected among the chat regulars, thus unworthy of his current position. Maybe next time just make the staff apps by vote, that seems to get us better results than the crap we get from manual picking. I can't really argue with the rest of your post, so I'll leave it to someone else.
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Post by Zrined on Jun 7, 2012 18:47:23 GMT
Ok guys, these 2 people on the forum disagree with something with the structure of the forum.
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 7, 2012 19:09:21 GMT
Ok guys, these 2 people on the forum disagree with something with the structure of the forum. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE. Because sarcasm clearly gets your point across when discussing a matter regarding the staff structure of the forum. ...that's ironic because I used sarcasm in that statement... Anyways, I think Priok deserves a larger role in the staff system. He's possibly the most respected both on chat and on the forum, most likely because he doesn't get buttmad when someone makes fun of him with rage comics and doesn't go out of his way to make himself look like some grammatically correct perfectionist.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 7, 2012 19:49:45 GMT
Well, Priok was just a vote away from being the third Triumvir when we had that forum vote - that's undeniable. Izacque also has a strong point that, if a member is highly respected, then that member will generally be obeyed. It's apparent that Priok would ergo be obeyed, assuming the truth of my interpretation of Izacque's post.
Maybe we should have a staff reevaluation? I'll check the long term absence thread, see if any of the staff have indicated plans to vacation, and start a series of new threads if not...
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 7, 2012 22:35:30 GMT
Staff re-evaluation may be a good idea, yeah. Shall we unto the staff board for eval?
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 7, 2012 23:32:06 GMT
I didn't see any recent notifications from staff concerning being away from the forum for extended periods of time, so I believe we may begin...
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