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Post by Qwerty on Nov 17, 2010 3:19:35 GMT
For the record, anyone mind if I announce it? It IS the most important project of the forums, after all. And we need help from plenty of people.
In other news, we need to write a formal application of recognition, or at least a message to Ha55ii asking his opinion of us. We have Otascube and translators, but we need the formal letter, most probably signed by "The staff of the currently unofficial Dan-Ball Forums" or something like that. I was thinking a style of composition similar to how TSL, Veers and I (possibly a few more) wrote the draft of the DB Constitution.
Here's an incredibly rough draft. We won't want to suggest full-on affiliation right off the bat, but we should at least get a method of communication open:
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Post by xShadowLordx on Nov 17, 2010 5:50:07 GMT
Not bad, not bad at all. Substantially, it's looks quite bare, but it gives a very good starting point nonetheless. I think what I'll do is use your draft as a framework to write up my own draft, and I'll try to give it a little more oomph. I'll probably give it to you some time next week. In the meantime, go ahead and announce it.
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 17, 2010 5:51:40 GMT
I mostly wrote that so people seeing this thread will see it more as a "Build from a framework" and less of a "Go write a letter".
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Post by V.I.R.O.S. on Nov 17, 2010 11:39:50 GMT
Let's try not be too formal. We don't need to seem like creeps. Also, remove the word triumvirate. It looks strange and clunky in the context, and I doubt it translates well into Japanese.
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 18, 2010 0:29:16 GMT
Okay, but what would you suggest as an alternative?
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Post by V.I.R.O.S. on Nov 18, 2010 0:39:00 GMT
A trio?
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 18, 2010 0:58:01 GMT
The trio of the forums? It doesn't have leadership in its definition; we could be any three people from the forums.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Nov 18, 2010 1:29:22 GMT
You could say that the forum is led by three people. The fact that we lead implies that we are leaders...
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 18, 2010 1:48:05 GMT
Perhaps "The Administrators of the . . ."?
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Nov 18, 2010 2:00:08 GMT
Yes, that should do well enough through translation...
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Nov 21, 2010 8:09:59 GMT
Not bad, not bad at all. Substantially, it's looks quite bare, but it gives a very good starting point nonetheless. I think what I'll do is use your draft as a framework to write up my own draft, and I'll try to give it a little more oomph. I'll probably give it to you some time next week. In the meantime, go ahead and announce it. Whoa, a post! (sorry, I'm still accepting the fact that you actually post outside the staff board xD) Triumvirate needs to go. "The three administrators of the English Dan-Ball Forum" could be a replacement. Other than that, I like the letter. It's just to get him to contact us and start a email relationship right? Only later we might ask to be the official forum, right? If so then this letter is very good.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Nov 21, 2010 8:33:34 GMT
Actually, that post was made from within the Staff Lounge. Temporarily9 moved the thread to public view...
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Nov 21, 2010 9:29:57 GMT
I realized that, but it's actually a post that appears outside of the staff lounge, even though it was made inside of teh staff lounge.
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Post by disabled on Nov 21, 2010 14:14:35 GMT
When I would receive that letter, I probably wouldn't respond at all.
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Nov 21, 2010 15:28:56 GMT
Would you care to explain why? SO we can improve it?
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Post by xShadowLordx on Nov 21, 2010 17:08:19 GMT
I mostly wrote that so people seeing this thread will see it more as a "Build from a framework" and less of a "Go write a letter". Alright. Disregard my last post.
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Post by nmagain on Nov 21, 2010 18:31:42 GMT
Who's gonna translate?
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Nov 21, 2010 19:05:06 GMT
We're going to try and get amk to do it. Either by pm (and if he doesn't regularly check this site then we'll email him)
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 22, 2010 9:39:13 GMT
Disabled, I wouldn't either. It's why this horrific first draft was only made so people would have SOMETHING to work off of it.
Besides, we aren't emailing it to anyone. We're asking Otascube and hopefully by extension Ha55ii if they have ever heard of us.
And as to AMK, yes, but AMK isn't the only option.
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Nov 22, 2010 15:53:28 GMT
Yes, as we found out kurai has a couple fluent Japanese friends and can speak some himself.
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 22, 2010 19:49:08 GMT
Unfortunately, we need more than "Can speak some". If we can't get AMK we can simply send out a mass call to everyone fluent in Japanese and English like we did for the badges and stuff.
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Post by kuraikiba on Nov 22, 2010 22:30:24 GMT
Hold on. I may know some people. I can get small bits, takes a few minutes. Oh, and I only SPEAK a bit. I write fluently.
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 22, 2010 23:00:28 GMT
Ah. It's the writing that is the key in this, so you may do fine.
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Post by kuraikiba on Nov 22, 2010 23:28:56 GMT
Yay! I love contributing to the forum!
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Post by disabled on Nov 23, 2010 3:09:42 GMT
I have a feeling this post is gonna be long, so I'm sorry for that... And I'm sorry I only wrote "I wouldn't" without explaining, I didn't have much time the weekend. I tried hard not to be offensive...
Now I read the letter a few times and I really fail to see a reason to answer it. When I would summarize it I would do it like "Hi UDBF here, we are led by a Triumvirate, please mail us. Sincerely, the Triumvirate." First, "the Triumvirate" sounds like "the majesty" to me, but I guess thats how you like to be seen... Anyways, if you want to write the letter in the name of the admins, thats your thing. I would write the letter in the name of the forum. And I as a developer don't give a damn about who leads a forum I have never visited or how it is lead. Then you give him no reason to answer you. "it is our hope that we will be able to become closer to the subject of our discussions" is the only thing that remotely qualifies. I'm not even sure that thing is grammatically correct (Keep in mind: I'm no native english speaker), because "our discussion" is not "ours" because he is not yet involved. And even if I try to make sense of it, I wouldn't really know what to answer to that. Lastly the talk about the secure email... Isn't this to become quite official? So you in some way have to publish his answer to let us know. And better don't do it like listo, so we only have the word of one guy who says so. If anything, tell him we won't spam or publish his address. I mean why should he answer, when he is not interested in the content being published? Its not like you were asking for trade secrets.
From the letter that pretty much leaves the first two paragraphs. The first one is kind of ok. I mean he sees the english version is attached. Noting we have a translator is a good thing, I'd also write that he can answer in Japanese. The history is kind of ok too. I'd remove the "index.cgi?" from the links, looks unprofessional (it's proboards, so it is unprofessional, but I don't think japanese know that).
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 23, 2010 5:42:01 GMT
I just happened to like the word "triumvirate", it'll naturally be dropped now that it is a community project. The errors in wording are natural as I threw this together in about five minutes, and the email is just a way to get contact in a reliable if he has any questions. You never know what he might think, and it is good to have an email open should he desire to use it. Naturally should we become "official" we would have Ha55ii link to us somewhere or something like that.
I'll agree with the third part of your post, too.
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Post by GloveParty on Dec 8, 2010 2:46:04 GMT
We need more on the purpose. It's not particularly clear, and too small. I suggest replacing subject of our discussions with "the Dan-Ball site." Or something similar.
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Dec 10, 2010 9:16:10 GMT
I still think it's a bit too formal.
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Post by Qwerty on Dec 11, 2010 0:28:22 GMT
We really need specifics, not just general stuff. General stuff may help great if we completely rewrite it, which we are obviously going to have to do, but since nobody seems interested in doing it we are stuck.
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Dec 12, 2010 9:35:56 GMT
Meh... since nothing is really happening I'll give it a shot...
Meh, I tried. Rip it to shreds if you don't like it, but I tried.
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