KuraiKiba's ban appeal
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Post by Vertigo on May 5, 2011 21:54:04 GMT
Ban appeal for member Kuraikiba, written by KuraiKiba. I'm just posting it for him and am neutral in this whole matter.
My supports in this ban appeal, Micro Farad, Rock, and Paradox (Chat names MicroFarad, Rock799, and XXXTheGreat), uphold my ban appeal, which I believe to be a legitimate and logical ban appeal.
No staff can find a legitimate reason for me to have been banned in the first place. No current offense was the basis, only highly unorthodox use of past offenses as a ban reason. Those are not used outside of Ban on sight orders or ongoing bans, neither of which I am. No staff could find or contact finds a valid reasoning for my ban, nor finds logic supporting its execution and enforcement. I have given apology sincere for all of the past offenses this ban was presumably made upon. Many anonymous parties have expressed forgiveness via Person Chatango Messages. I have in fact, not been able to contact more staff supporting this ban than questioning it's validity and lack of support for this ban.
Therefore, presenting my case to the administrators, all in good standing, and the moderators, all in good standing, of this forum, to deliberate over this appeal. Bearing in mind the previous reasons, and staff supports, the banned member, I, would appreciate if the use of logic would not recieve interference with personal dislike of me, for I feel it both skews logic and is additionally not relevant to the case presented.
Signed, KuraiKiba
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Post by Qwerty on May 5, 2011 21:59:28 GMT
Es cierto que en el momento de la prohibición no recuerdo ninguna cosa específica que causó la prohibición.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 5, 2011 22:29:32 GMT
So to speak, there was no "trigger": rather, I made sure his despicable actions were punished despite the failure to ban him immediately. Better late than never.
I feel justified for keeping banned a bigot who continually asks for forgiveness and another chance, but repeatedly fails to do anything with that chance except to take advantage of those giving him a chance. I am done giving him chances just to see them wasted. I am done with his failure to follow up on his promises. I am done with his Kurai-logic. As an Administrator, it is my duty to ensure such rebel scum do not make the forum experience a horrendously unpleasant experience.
Let others argue their points as they may, but I will not easily concede my point. I will fight to keep Skywalker off the forum, although I wonder if such a fight is even necessary, considering how many users have been negatively affected by his racism, homophobia, other overgeneralizations, and broken promises.
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Post by Vertigo on May 5, 2011 22:45:43 GMT
Message from Kurai:
It has been brought to my attention that, more or less, Veers admits he did not have a ban reason, and left some emotional rant to back his very weak argument up.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 5, 2011 23:08:48 GMT
I said that I punished him for actions that needed banning but hadn't yet been banned, not that I had no reason. I merely indicated that I had no "trigger."
That's another thing I forgot to mention: Skywalker generally misinterprets statements. You should look out for that, dear reader, as this thread progresses/declines...
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Post by sparkpowder on May 6, 2011 19:10:59 GMT
I personally don't think Kurai should be unbanned. As a matter of fact, Kurai should have a Ban-on-Sight placed on him, in my opinion.
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Post by Vertigo on May 6, 2011 21:48:29 GMT
You don't want him unbanned, yet you want a ban on sight.
So, you want him banned again if he shows up while banned? That's a bit overkill.
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Post by Rock on May 6, 2011 22:01:27 GMT
Well, as he stated above, I will advocate for his un-ban.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 6, 2011 22:28:36 GMT
Why, might I ask?
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Post by ganondorfchampin on May 6, 2011 22:50:35 GMT
In my opinion he should be unbanned, but given a zero tolerance policy: If he does one more offensive act he is to be banned instantly. Then you would have a trigger to justify the ban if he continues to act as he has done in he past, but if he does reform then it is proven that he really has changed.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 6, 2011 23:04:08 GMT
Apparently, it seems that if I have to wait to ban, then I have to have a trigger later on before I can carry out the ban that waited. It makes sense in the event that the user to be banned actually changes.
My problem with that, though, is that Kuraikiba has already been given multiple chances to change, even after asking for them, and continued refusing to change. Should I give him the impression that he can keep having "one more change" indefinitely? No: he needs to know that if he keeps abusing opportunities to change, the opportunities will run out. He abused our trust, and he used up most of our patience. He used up all my patience, and I have no more to give to him.
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Post by Alonso on May 6, 2011 23:12:39 GMT
Give him 2 weeks trial. If he makes anyone unhappy then he gets banned. Simple.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 6, 2011 23:24:20 GMT
In my opinion, a zero-tolerance policy, where one slip up is all that's needed, for someone like Kuraikiba will be infinitely better than a 2 week trial, where he only has to pretend to change for 2 weeks, after which, he can supposedly revert like he has after his one month ban without much bother for him.
Of course, in my opinion, better than either of those is finally teaching Kuraikiba the lesson he refuses to learn by banning him now. I have the reasons for banning him, it's just that I didn't ban him immediately after amassing those reasons...
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Post by Alonso on May 6, 2011 23:43:13 GMT
goog point.
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Post by Qwerty on May 7, 2011 0:26:29 GMT
The zero-tolerance idea actually sounds pretty good. That way, if there's a next time, there'll be no debate and no need for debate.
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Post by Draxorion on May 7, 2011 21:05:45 GMT
I agree with this Zero Tolerance Policy. It gives a chance, yet an enforced Rule behind it. Temp's reasoning is also applicable. Less of a hassle.
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Post by FoxtrotZero on May 7, 2011 21:05:23 GMT
I refuse to engage in this arguement. People can think of me as they like. All I can remember is KuraiKiba being a constant problem, particularly with his flawed logic, as well as racist and homophobic opinions. That is not the type of person I am willing to let back onto the forum. My vote in this matter is that he is not to be unbanned.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 7, 2011 21:19:01 GMT
Actually, it's less of a hassle to keep him banned as it is, just deny the appeal, and go back to our forum business without Kuraikiba. I already had reasons for banning him, and I did ban him. I apparently shouldn't wait to ban someone next time in order to avoid this trouble. Ah well, that's for next time.
FoxtrotZero and I seem to have the same position: i.e. don't grant the appeal, and keep him banned as planned.
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Post by xShadowLordx on May 8, 2011 0:49:32 GMT
I have the reasons for banning him, it's just that I didn't ban him immediately after amassing those reasons... While I certainly do recall KuraiKiba's various inappropriate actions, it is completely unethical to ban him this time around without citing a specific offense. Unless somebody can show me some sort of proof of him committing an offense to warrant this particular ban, I say we unban him.
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Post by D_M-01 on May 8, 2011 1:02:16 GMT
I cannot provide said proof, but I can provide my word if it is of any significant importance,
I have witnessed that user 'KuraiKiba' has been reprimanded numerous times for his offenses, of which include racism and homophobia, both of which I had witnessed on the forum chat. This type of behavior is unacceptable both on chat and forum, and I strongly advise that there be some sort of heavy consequence for this users previous actions. Obviously, the first two or so times he had been warned and/or banned were to no apparent effect, and I have seen in his posts the constant claims he makes to quote: "repay the debt of his actions".
I see it is fitting that the ban is not to be indefinite, but to be upheld for a very long time, much like a few other users were kept. This will allow KuraiKiba a considerable amount of time to think about his words, and perhaps mature upon reflection of said statements.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 8, 2011 1:34:29 GMT
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Post by D_M-01 on May 8, 2011 1:42:10 GMT
Which is what I had aforementioned. A year, at least, both on forum and on chat. That is plenty of time to mature.
That is my view on the matter. Thank you for letting me provide it.
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Post by xShadowLordx on May 8, 2011 3:12:02 GMT
I understand full well what he has done in the past, and I understand you have banned him the past, to no avail. But you can't ban him again for those things after the fact. You've still failed to provide evidence of him committing an offense to warrant this particular ban.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 8, 2011 4:23:07 GMT
Those were after the one-month ban, and had not been punished up until now, for this particular ban...
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Post by sparkpowder on May 8, 2011 12:14:30 GMT
I agree with GV. Here is my [unofficial] ruling:
PERMANENT BAN
Sorry if I sound like I'm backseat modding, it's just my opinion.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 8, 2011 13:26:13 GMT
As that is only an opinion, and I don't see you actively forcing it to be the accepted opinion, I see no backseat moderating...
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Post by Alonso on May 8, 2011 16:23:02 GMT
I don't know wether to ban pernament. I say one more chance.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 8, 2011 16:52:26 GMT
Well, considering that he had been given "one more chance" multiple times, and never did anything good with them, I think giving him another would be one too many. He must learn...
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Post by Alonso on May 8, 2011 16:54:48 GMT
OK.
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Post by Qwerty on May 8, 2011 20:42:50 GMT
I'll just tally the opinions.
Admin - 1 Permaban, 2 Unban Global Mod - 1 Unban, 1 Permaban Member - 1 Permaban, 2 Unban, 1 Long Ban
I didn't note Shkid's opinion because I can't tell if he changed his mind or not. On the whole this is 5 Unban, 3 Permaban, 1 Long Ban (say, a year). Seem like enough?
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