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Post by Clockwork on May 19, 2012 22:33:11 GMT
Some people feel very strongly about this. Please don't get too emotional about this, if you see yourself being a bit pissed angry, go calm down read the bible.
So should weed be legalized?
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Post by Qwerty on May 19, 2012 23:32:19 GMT
People should be allowed to do what they want, but only in a way that doesn't affect other people, and they should be informed about all consequences beforehand.
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Post by Clockwork on May 20, 2012 0:23:44 GMT
Last I checked, vaporizing weed has no drawbacks.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 20, 2012 0:36:06 GMT
Would you please be so kind as to remind me to what chemical "weed" refers? With so many street names, I can hardly keep track of them all. It would be much easier, at least from my perspective for the sake of avoiding misunderstandings, to refer to the drugs by their chemical names, or perhaps even by the names of the species of lifeform from which the chemical may be obtained in its raw form...
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Post by Clockwork on May 20, 2012 0:36:47 GMT
Weed refers to... weed. (Pot, marijuana)
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 20, 2012 0:43:00 GMT
You refer to the chemicals from the genus Cannabis, am I mistaken? If I am not mistaken, do you refer to cannabidiol or to tetrahydrocannabinol, or perhaps to some other chemical?
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Post by Clockwork on May 20, 2012 0:47:38 GMT
You refer to the chemicals from the genus Cannabis, am I mistaken? If I am not mistaken, do you refer to cannabidiol or to tetrahydrocannabinol, or perhaps to some other chemical? I don't know. Do you know what vaporizing weed means?
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 20, 2012 0:51:09 GMT
As a matter of fact, I do not. I would assume that it means something to the effect of "to inhale the fumes of the substance as it is burning," but I do not really know. Could you explain what it means?
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Post by Clockwork on May 20, 2012 0:52:54 GMT
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 20, 2012 1:16:06 GMT
Alright, so depending on the material being vaporized, you would ideally be inhaling only the active ingredients of the substance in question, so in the case of something from the genus Cannabis, either cannabidiol or tetrahydrocannabinol. In this case, you would suffer from the drawbacks of either of those chemicals, if either of those chemicals do have drawbacks. Admittedly, one man's drawback is another man's benefit, so maybe what I see as drawbacks, you see as benefits, and vice versa for certain...results, for lack of a better neutral word.
The point is, you would experience the effects of the "active ingredient" inhaled through a vaporizer, and despite being intended results, I would view the results of inhaling the "active ingredients" of whatever drug was vaporized as being harmful, i.e. the result would be a drawback from my perspective.
In short, the last I checked, vaporized Cannabis does have drawbacks, but you might see those drawbacks as benefits and would ergo argue that vaporized Cannabis does not have drawbacks...
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Post by Qwerty on May 20, 2012 1:25:04 GMT
I still have no idea which side you're on.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 20, 2012 1:49:26 GMT
Quite frankly, neither do I. I don't know whether there should be public access to either of those chemicals, I only know that I wouldn't want to partake in the consumption or inhalation of those chemicals myself...
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Post by noodlesoup on May 20, 2012 5:59:32 GMT
Here is a pro for legalization:
If we, the US, were to make 100% of our own weed (or nearly), the competition that cartels would face would stop them from making as much money from it, money that would have went to buying guns etc.
A con:
Weed is a gateway drug: it's easier to make the transition to harder drugs (cocaine, heroin, etc.) if you already take the less harmful ones; however, this is only a theory.
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Post by Qwerty on May 20, 2012 6:42:55 GMT
Gah, "only a theory". I hate when I hear that phrase just about anywhere.
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Post by noodlesoup on May 20, 2012 6:44:53 GMT
Yeah, I didn't really like putting it in, because people like to discredit things solely on that basis... But then again, not all studies agree.
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Post by Artifact123 on May 20, 2012 6:48:53 GMT
Really, if beer and smoking is legal then so should weed. Or they make them all illegal. Weed is not worse than beer or cigarettes. BTW, here in the Netherlands it's legal to carry up to 5mg of softdrugs for own use
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 20, 2012 7:13:02 GMT
Ah, so we actually have someone who can speak with the experience of living in a nation where it's legal to possess some non-zero quantity of drugs for non-medicinal purposes? You will doubtlessly be a very valuable asset to this debate, regardless of the side you join (although it seems you already made your opinion)...
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Post by Clockwork on May 20, 2012 14:06:06 GMT
I don't think there is anything wrong with getting "high". That's the only effect of vaporizing cannabis.
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Post by Qwerty on May 20, 2012 19:31:06 GMT
It could negatively affect others, though, if you do it in an irresponsible way. I see nothing wrong with people getting high in safe environments, but it's almost impossible to confine it.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 20, 2012 21:24:34 GMT
So, would getting "high" come with the same responsibilities as drinking?
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Post by Clockwork on May 20, 2012 22:57:01 GMT
It couldn't be worse than alcohol or smoking cigarettes. So no, it would not. Besides, if you vaporize it you shouldn't get anyone else high.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 20, 2012 23:28:40 GMT
It might not be worse than smoking or drinking alcohol, but would it come with as much responsibility as either of those activities? Just because something isn't worse than an activity doesn't mean it would come with less responsibility - it might demand equal responsibility.
For instance, when and immediately after drinking, you are responsible for refusing to drive an automobile and refusing to work with "heavy machinery." If you perform those activities, you are responsible (drunk or not, as a matter of fact) for any accidents you might cause as a result of your operating an automobile or heavy machinery. Similarly for getting high, presumably. Just because your consumption of alcohol does not get anyone else drunk directly doesn't mean that getting drunk doesn't pose a danger. Similarly for getting high, presumably...
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Post by Clockwork on May 20, 2012 23:36:30 GMT
Well yes, but that's only one aspect of the many responsibilities for alcohol.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 20, 2012 23:39:25 GMT
That is true, but can I not make many other similar analogies between the responsibilities of drinking alcohol and the responsibilities of inhaling tetrahydrocannibinol?
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Post by Clockwork on May 20, 2012 23:41:03 GMT
It'd be more helpful to name responsibilities of alcohol use that don't carry over to THC...
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 20, 2012 23:46:46 GMT
It would be helpful for your point to name responsibilities of alcohol use that don't carry over to, as you abbreviate it, THC, but it would be helpful to the opposing point to name responsibilities of alcohol use that do carry over to THC. Of course, it would be helpful to everyone to name responsibilities of alcohol use that do and that do not carry over to THC so as to avoid cherrypicking and allow others to form an opinion concerning the claims that THC does or does not require as much responsibility as drinking alcohol...
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Post by Clockwork on May 20, 2012 23:51:28 GMT
Alcohol is legal and the effects are less dangerous and more beneficial for marijuana. So without naming any responsibilities, I assure you that it should be legalized, that, or csigarettes and alcohol should be illegal.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on May 21, 2012 0:04:42 GMT
I just realized that, in spite of your continued assurances that vaporized marijuana is beneficial, you have not once mentioned any of the supposed benefits. What is it about vaporized marijuana that is so good?
On a side note, is it only be vaporized marijuana that should be legalized, since it is only vaporized marijuana specifically that you have defended, or do you claim that (almost) any form of marijuana should be legalized?
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Post by ganondorfchampin on May 21, 2012 20:51:58 GMT
We should legalize weed, but only if it is grown in the united states, and it needs to US regulated weed.
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