Powder Toy vs. Powder Game
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Post by Rock on Jun 20, 2011 22:07:33 GMT
It means cardboard in some other language, but not japanese.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 21, 2011 0:51:45 GMT
No, it's in Japanese. You know, the Dan-Ball mascot is made of cardboard boxes. The site is designed to look like cardboard.
...Besides the point. I honestly prefer PT most of the time, but not the community. Rock and I know plenty of THAT topic. On a ranking of members, low to high, the highest was Forum Owner and the lowest was Powder Game Player. Sure, when we voiced our insult they took it back, but the damage had already been done.
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Post by james on Jun 21, 2011 15:47:34 GMT
How did they decide the ranking? Community votes, presumably?
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Post by Rock on Jun 21, 2011 16:43:41 GMT
No, it was a user made ranking system that judged you based on behavior and your skills with the game. I somehow scored a 7.5.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 6:14:20 GMT
I can't even be bothered figuring out what all the elements in TPT do... I do think they could have a better zoom tool as well.
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Post by james on Aug 17, 2011 18:12:28 GMT
The instant conductor would be extremely useful in PG...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2011 8:08:22 GMT
I can't understand Wi-Fi, either. And a decent TG view wouldn't be bad.
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Post by ShiningSilver on Aug 18, 2011 12:55:40 GMT
I can't seem to understand the pressure system in PT; maybe I'm too used to PG's wind/pressure.
EDIT: But still, they both are pretty good in their own right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 11:05:28 GMT
Wait, now THAT'S what Wi-Fi does... But wouldn't portal just be easier? This is what we mean when we say too many elements...
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Post by TPTPlayer on Aug 23, 2011 9:06:15 GMT
powdertoy.co.uk/Discussions/Thread/View.html?Thread=9916&PageNum=0 I reckon that people should read this. I can't state my oppinion because I've only played T.P.T. but I can explain some of the stuff here. I don't know how they select the Modderators but they ARN'T Trigger happy with the Ban Hammers. They Ban You if you break The RULES . You don't have to worry about stealers because you can Report them using the Report Button. I can Explain what most of the elements do And the Developers do listen to ideas. I remember not to long ago Someone suggested Gravity Bomb (GBMB) and One of the Developers Coded it within 1 hr of it being suggested. And Rock Have you actually played T.P.T.?
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Post by james on Aug 23, 2011 9:37:00 GMT
I believe he has. I have played it a little, and I do think it's pretty complex with all the elements. However, I've seen what people can do with them, and it's pretty amazing...
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Post by lolzy on Aug 23, 2011 11:04:24 GMT
For those of you from the PT forums, you may recognize me. Yes, I am one of the moderators from there. I want to state that NONE of the moderators or developers have been promoted because Simon "likes" them more.
ad - Moderated the Forums before there were even moderators LockheedMartin - Promoted for the same reason Triclops300 - Promoted for his work on STKM and the wiki Me - Promoted for my work with the community and work on the wiki HK6 - Promoted for his work on the website
I'm not sure about the others because I did leave the community for a while. I then came back and found that 2 moderators had been DEMOTED. Simon had demoted them for inappropriate moderation of the forums. So before you rage at us for banhammering everyone, just stop and think. We aren't doing that badly if we haven't been demoted. Triclops300 is now a developer BECAUSE he worked for it. We all worked for our ranks and you make it seem like we just sucked up to Simon to earn it. Such b*llocks. I rarely use my banhammer. I'm not power-mad. But it's people like you that really annoy me by stereotyping us like that. I talk to Catelite, HK6, triclops300 and Simon all outside of the community and they are all really nice people. But you guys (not PG users, just spammers and those who cannot read the rules) just make our lives harder. We don't get paid. In fact, we are like cleaners. We have to clear up after you with all your crappy spam posts, and your little rants about how you want "Salad - coz it wil maek stkm beter" in the game. We do this moderation out of free will. And as for the other moderators, there is nothing I can do about them. What they do with their powers is up to them. But I choose not to do anything wrong with mine. SO HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THAT I DO, AND INSULT ME LIKE THAT.
/rant
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Post by cctvdude99 on Aug 23, 2011 11:10:00 GMT
But they also have their box-headed dictators that are opposed to any new idea unless they themselves like it, regardless of the community input. Untrue, I am a member of TPT and think it is far better than this game. The moderators and developers are not 'box-headed dictators', they are just don't want to allow useless elements into the game. If TPT accepted every suggestion that had been made, it would be completely stupid. You'd have about 1000 elements with no uses at all. So please, shut up.
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Post by code1949 on Aug 23, 2011 11:59:41 GMT
TPT has many useful things, mainly their vast electronics system, and now their Newtonian Gravity, ambient heat, and myriad of tools and elements that PG users only dream about. But they also have their box-headed dictators that are opposed to any new idea unless they themselves like it, regardless of the community input. That is completely and utterly false. Recently, gravity bomb, gravity view, coal glow and powered breakable clone were all suggested and added. I suggest that you do not falsely accuse community that you have no knowledge of. Ideas are suggested because THEY HAVE NO USES! I should also remind you that our moderators are level-headed and used to be normal users themselves. They are actively involved in the community and do listen to suggestions. Yes, I am a TPT user, but I have been a PG user for twice as long. I should note that a TPT user saw this thread and started this: powdertoy.co.uk/Discussions/Thread/View.html?Thread=9916&PageNum=0We do not normally exhibit hostility towards other games, however, your arrogance and elitism really do grind our gears. We just want to do what we do, yet you flame us in the shadows, with no idea who we are, what we do. I doubt you even expected a response from us. BTW: Half of the TPT community used to be PG users until the n00bs took over. At least, the developers listen to us! We don't give a damn what you say, we have group businesses to run, people to talk to, computers to design. YOU stop grinding our gears and we won't grind yours.
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Post by alecnotalex on Aug 23, 2011 12:11:06 GMT
If you people at Dan-ball were to code every suggestion, not only would you have (as cctvdude99 said) over 1000 elements, none with any uses, but you would also have about 20 of each element because people suggest the same thing over and over again, just with a different name. If you want to do that, go ahead, it's fine with me. Of course I'm a TPT user, but I did have start out by playing PG.
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Post by code1949 on Aug 23, 2011 12:16:43 GMT
You hypocritical bureaucrats never accepted ANY IDEAS!
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Post by alecnotalex on Aug 23, 2011 13:17:55 GMT
These mods are corrupt, power-crazed, banhammer happy morons. And yet the community adores them. Tell me what's corrupt about them. Go on, tell me. Yes, they use the ban hammer. But answer this: do the police arrest people a lot? Yes, they do. The mods use the banhammer to stop stealers, spammers, self-voters, and other bad users. The mods are also just nice people, along with having a powerful title.
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Post by james on Aug 23, 2011 13:51:50 GMT
But they also have their box-headed dictators that are opposed to any new idea unless they themselves like it, regardless of the community input. Untrue, I am a member of TPT and think it is far better than this game. The moderators and developers are not 'box-headed dictators', they are just don't want to allow useless elements into the game. If TPT accepted every suggestion that had been made, it would be completely stupid. You'd have about 1000 elements with no uses at all. So please, shut up. Well, that's true. If you proposed adding hotdogs to PG on the PGCB, most of the noobs would agree, and you'd get an absolutely useless element... TPT has many useful things, mainly their vast electronics system, and now their Newtonian Gravity, ambient heat, and myriad of tools and elements that PG users only dream about. But they also have their box-headed dictators that are opposed to any new idea unless they themselves like it, regardless of the community input. That is completely and utterly false. Recently, gravity bomb, gravity view, coal glow and powered breakable clone were all suggested and added. I suggest that you do not falsely accuse community that you have no knowledge of. Ideas are suggested because THEY HAVE NO USES! I should also remind you that our moderators are level-headed and used to be normal users themselves. They are actively involved in the community and do listen to suggestions. Yes, I am a TPT user, but I have been a PG user for twice as long. I should note that a TPT user saw this thread and started this: powdertoy.co.uk/Discussions/Thread/View.html?Thread=9916&PageNum=0We do not normally exhibit hostility towards other games, however, your arrogance and elitism really do grind our gears. We just want to do what we do, yet you flame us in the shadows, with no idea who we are, what we do. I doubt you even expected a response from us. BTW: Half of the TPT community used to be PG users until the n00bs took over. At least, the developers listen to us! We don't give a damn what you say, we have group businesses to run, people to talk to, computers to design. YOU stop grinding our gears and we won't grind yours. We did have a PT player here not long ago. He was an arrogant, trolling, PT elitist. We're not perfect, but neither are you... And I do not flame PT. I have said it is complex, at least compared to PG. Many of the people here do like PT, I'm sure... powdertoy.co.uk/Discussions/Thread/View.html?Thread=9916&PageNum=0#Message=155879We have at no point called you 'retards' because you believe PT is better. Some of us are actually trying to see your point, without flaming you. It'd be nice if you'd do the same... Well, that display of flaming and trolling didn't make PT look better, in case you were wondering. You tried to prove PT was better, giving the wrong reasons for it, then what just about passed for an argument fell into trolling. I'm not saying it's not better, just that you gave the wrong reasons for it.
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Post by nmagain on Aug 23, 2011 14:56:24 GMT
i like how the only people in this thread that SUPPORT powder game are hated and dumb. So yeah, powder toy wins, you can all go home now, TPTers, don't bother with idiots like Rock.
Please refrain from flaming, let alone continuing to flame Rock. He isn't hated (except by you, obviously), he isn't dumb, and he isn't an idiot.
-General Veers
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Post by triclops200 on Aug 23, 2011 15:06:27 GMT
Well, I am a developer for TPT, and I would like to clarify some on the advantages and disadvantages of both games. I honestly have not played PG for about a year now because I find I like the smoothness, and, honestly, the fire view, that TPT has. While PG works, as was mentioned before, and seems to have fewer glitches (Not saying that there are many in TPT), I find this to be because TPT is much more complex and has many more features with physics, chemistry, and general particle simulation. The advantages of TPT are as such: 1.) It has a nicer looking design and smoother feel. While, this has no pertinence to the actual particle simulation, it helps the game feel better and lessens the frustration I used to have with PG. 2.) It has better, and I find smoother performing, air physics. The particles themselves make air currents if enough of them fall in one place (I.E. they have realistic air drags). 3.) It not only has heat simulation using real life ratios in specific heats, it also has air based ambient heat, if one so chooses to turn it on. 4.) Photons. Tpt has realistic refraction and reflection, allowing for realistic optics. It even does the white beam splitting into the rainbow under the effects of a prism. 5.) Conway's Game Of Life. TPT also has a very good GOL simulator with one of the biggest collection of rulesets I have ever seen. 6.) Newtonian Gravity and Simulation gravity types make for a fun simulation, especially when you turn on the "Fancy display" and see gravitational lensing. 7.) A more diverse collection of elements and reactions between them. 8.) Electronics. Not only is this a great particle simulator, it is one of the best logic simulators ever. I, for one, have built a 4 bit working CPU in it. but other have done 8-bit with programmable assembly pages. It really adds to the game-play and the 'replay' factor. 9.) Generally more complex and more stuff to do, including a much higher particle cap. though this does cause a performance hit, the size of which is determined by how many particles and what type. 10.) The developer's console, in game, allows for even more manipulation of the simulation. 11.) Better save rating and loading system, along with tagging and comments. 12.) Larger play window. The advantages of PG are as follows (I just played for an hour or two to rehash what I used to know. I used to play this game all the time): 1.) It seems to have better performance, but that may be because the lower particle cap. 2.) The players (or stick-men) seem to be designed better than ours. (No offence savask, but I think yours have the trouble of not being built into the engine, but added in later) 3.) The boxes, wheels, and balls seem to add to the fun a lot. 4.) Less glitches. 5.) I always liked fighters. That is all I could find for PG, but I could have missed some things, so don't think of it as comprehensive. Also, we don't have to deal with the user Rock anymore, because we realized a long time ago that we should ban him. That is why he said
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Post by james on Aug 23, 2011 15:08:34 GMT
So why was he banned, exactly?
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Post by catelite on Aug 23, 2011 15:09:08 GMT
Sooo confused. `~` I still think TPT needs some kind of UI tutorial, there's too much random stuff that's been stacked on without any real means of explaining how to use it. It took me like a year to get familiar enough with electronics to even -try- using PSCN and NSCN to make a one-way electric current. And really as far as moderators and communities go, you get the best you can and try to make things work. Mostly I only moderate Powder Toy's IRC channel, I don't have as much to do with the forums. LockheedMartin seems to do more with keeping tags and saves in order. ...If I remember right, HK6 earned a bit of ill feelings due to deleting posts and threads without good reason, but when we changed forum software he promptly quit. I still think he quit due to being unable to delete people's posts `~`; Also, Powder Toy has no means of protecting people's saves from being "stolen" besides moderators. There's nothing in the save publishing rules that says you can't copy someone else's work, but at the same time it's understood that it's frowned upon to copy someone else's save and take credit for it. A reports system exists that lets people find copies of their own saves if they don't approve of them, and request they be deleted. It's been discussed several times, there's a fairly good reason for why stamping other people's saves is allowed. Coding in methods to prevent this would cross a tricky dotted line we really don't want to go near. Also lol, Laser == Photons. You can even make photons that freeze or melt things
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Post by triclops200 on Aug 23, 2011 15:12:06 GMT
So why was he banned, exactly? I was having a hiatus at the time he was banned (I.E. I was very busy and not involved with the community), but, from what I understand, he was being a major troll.
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Post by nmagain on Aug 23, 2011 15:16:38 GMT
The funny thing is, our shitty community doesn't understand what the word "troll" even means.
Yes, I apparently forgot that it means "you." Consider yourself warned for excessive flaming.
-General Veers
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Post by catelite on Aug 23, 2011 15:18:09 GMT
Rock was temp banned for four weeks for being incendiary over frustratingly unusual things. It started encroaching on my own work with moderating. I set the ban initially after a post where he was saying something mean to someone in a situation where it wasn't warranted at all.
...That in mind, there's nothing to stop people from making new accounts and just resuming like nothing happened until a ban expires. The forum admin ended up making an IP ban for Rock since he used his new accounts to make more posts on the topic on the forums anyway. Rock is fine otherwise, he's been on the IRC for Powder Toy and no one cares (though not lately, not sure why.)
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Post by ShiningSilver on Aug 23, 2011 16:30:17 GMT
Well this has been an interesting discussion...
PT is generally better I find, but whatever haha, all of us basically started with PG, I didn't find out about PT until recently! The wiki seems pretty bad though for PT, can anyone edit the wiki? If so then I'm going to make an account on the PT forums and to try and improve the wiki for PT, though PT is so complex it might be hard to.
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Post by alecnotalex on Aug 23, 2011 16:55:56 GMT
And in the end, there is peace.
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Post by james on Aug 23, 2011 17:10:05 GMT
Well, finally. No more arguing and flaming, hopefully...
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Post by Qwerty on Aug 23, 2011 19:25:20 GMT
Dangit people, we finally get another side to the argument and you treat them like this? Sure, some people on PT are idiots, but that's no reason to think all of them are. We agree it's generally better, but all I want is to stop seeing posts on PT boasting about how it's better or how PG is a primitive piece of scum. Seriously, I've seen people on PT call it that.
Believe it or not, we aren't that single-minded. We won't take a single post and use it to judge the entire community. Just certain members.
Look, we're both communities. We have our goods and our bads. Why do we have to keep arguing about some petty differences?
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Post by neospector on Aug 23, 2011 21:55:11 GMT
Dangit people, we finally get another side to the argument and you treat them like this? Sure, some people on PT are idiots, but that's no reason to think all of them are. We agree it's generally better, but all I want is to stop seeing posts on PT boasting about how it's better or how PG is a primitive piece of scum. Seriously, I've seen people on PT call it that. Believe it or not, we aren't that single-minded. We won't take a single post and use it to judge the entire community. Just certain members. Look, we're both communities. We have our goods and our bads. Why do we have to keep arguing about some petty differences? Most of us are just pissed because a lot of people from here come onto Powder Toy, realize it's not like Powder Game, and then go on the forum and try to compare a Java web applet to a downloadable C/C++ game because they both have the word "Powder" in them. Rock was originally banned for something along these lines if I remember correctly.
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