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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Oct 28, 2011 0:19:23 GMT
Actually, I assert the fact that I know more than you about the details regarding Lag and TheListo. If you may recall, General, there were those who had still supported TheListo while you and your 'majority' wished to rid him of his self-righteous position. What makes you think that TheListo had not communed with his supporters both before and after his removal? Many of them had did not speak because of fear of their removal as well. It was his desire to remove the forum in its entirety. Even with its removal, you and your followers would still have created a new site, most likely holding a resemblance to this current one, minus the backup forum containing all the archival information. Perhaps then you would have realized that forum history means nothing except the raw coding contained inside the forum itself. What does that have to do with TheListo and Lag being the same person or not, as you originally asserted?
Furthermore, I do not believe any normal user makes an "effort" to make the forum have activity. Activity normally spreads when users see a product or thing that which they like and wish to share with others. The "effort" in itself is not to provide activity but rather to show their close friends what they like to do. The "effort" of which you speak of is to be done directly by the staff of the forum and a few users who feel that they have a chance in becoming part of the staff. I hold that users do make an effort at activity, but I said nothing of their efforts at increasing activity. Activity and increasing activity is not the same thing. I do not define activity as the influx or exodus of members who participate, whereas you do: rather, I define activity as how many of the members participate. I refer to the function itself whereas you refer to the time derivative of that function. Members do make an effort to maintain activity, and that effort is itself independent of an effort to increase activity, a different action altogether. The effort to maintain activity is not solely the responsibility of the staff - if it were, the only active part of the forum would be the staff itself while the members without the responsibility to be active would not be active on the forum! The responsibility to be active belongs to every member of the forum, standard or otherwise. You may as well leave the forum if you think you don't have the responsibility to be active in the forum. Granted, you don't have the duty to be active in the forum - no one does since real life takes precedence over the forum - but you're mistaken if you think you don't have the responsibility as a member of the forum to be active in the forum. Even if we consider efforts to increase activity as opposed to efforts to maintain activity, I do not agree that it is solely the responsibility of staff to try to increase activity. I agree that staff have that responsibility, but not that only staff have that responsibility. I believe every member of the forum, standard or otherwise, has a responsibility to increase activity in the forum. I am also of the belief that, since it's useless to increase the number of members on the forum if none of those members new or old believe they have the responsibility to be active on the forum, the responsibility to keep activity is greater than the responsibility to increase activity...
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Post by Qwerty on Oct 28, 2011 1:30:45 GMT
Plenty goes on here, or at least as much as has always gone on here. That's funny. Hold on, let me find that one picture... Courtesy of izacque. I bet Chronologik is laughing in our face right now. Or probably not, considering there would be nobody to see him do so. If I were in his place, I would be too. Since when does "At least as much as has always gone on here" translate to "no, activity is increasing"? There's a big difference. And now you're saying that when we took over we didn't have any support? Obviously, we had some support. We KNEW there were people that opposed it and we took their ideas into consideration. We did not "remove" them like the Soviet revolution you seem to be making us out to be. Let me get this straight. You aren't even active enough on the forum to be considered an active member, only stopping by occasionally to insult us, yet you feel you can write entire textwalls about how horrible everything is? Try joining the forum before you try to represent it. As, skimming your textwalls, I see that they are meant only to troll and insult, and as you are not active enough on the forum for your opinion about its activity to be of any worth to me, here's my official administrative reply: tl;dr
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Post by izacque on Oct 28, 2011 5:48:54 GMT
Plenty goes on here, or at least as much as has always gone on here. That's funny. Hold on, let me find that one picture... Courtesy of izacque. I bet Chronologik is laughing in our face right now. Or probably not, considering there would be nobody to see him do so. If I were in his place, I would be too. I take great umbrage at your misuse of my comic. Chrono is not the hero of this comic. In fact, I think he's the dumbest character. The whole point of the comic is that "plenty goes on here, or at least as much as has always gone on here." It's silly and optimistic to think that we're actually growing, but it's also ignorant, stupid,and trollish to assert that we're "dying." Now please leave my works alone, you obviously can't handle them.
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Post by nmagain on Oct 28, 2011 13:09:01 GMT
what kind of buIIshit is going on in this thread this time
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Post by D_M-01 on Oct 28, 2011 23:27:06 GMT
<snipped>
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Oct 29, 2011 1:05:43 GMT
First of all, what's wrong about being secular? It seems a bit better than being religious in certain respects. Second of all, why is it so bad to keep our size, so long as we don't significantly reduce membership (when losing a member who doesn't think it's his responsibility to be active doesn't count as losing a member any more than losing a member who only posted once doesn't count as losing a member)? There is nothing wrong with being a niche community with few members, and you seem to forget that size does not matter, much as I hate to quote Jedi scum like Yoda. Why would ha55ii care whether we are small or not - especially since we happen to have too many coincidences of forum desires being granted in the form of Powder Game and Stick Ranger updates to be considered coincidences? Someone from Dan-Ball obviously cares about us as a relatively informed community, contrary to what you believe. Enjoy your meaningless existence on the Internet, let alone on forums that are too large to care for you as an individual member. I would say "Goodbye," except you weren't really here that often as of late. You want your freedom? Take it. That's what I'm counting on.
You've got your short, sad life left. That's what I'm counting on. I'll let you get right to it.
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Post by mdog95 on Oct 29, 2011 3:31:26 GMT
I have to say, that argument was very entertaining.
As for ideas to gain a few more members, just so I don't go completely off topic, I think we could do some better advertising than we do (posting on the comment boards every now and then). I can't think of any free ways to productively advertise to our target members at the moment, but I'm sure some brainstorming and collaboration among the forum members will get us somewhere.
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Post by Likep on Oct 29, 2011 4:00:28 GMT
I agree, but where could we possibly advertise for free that's not on the Dan-Ball site?
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Post by Qwerty on Oct 30, 2011 2:55:12 GMT
Heh, Kurai insults us by calling us "secular" and assuming I'm only here to increase the size of some kind of metaphorical e-peen. I did read them. I just didn't respond. Don't feed the trolls and all that.
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Post by Artifact123 on May 17, 2012 7:22:28 GMT
I would like to see a Thread in the Announcements Boards that would encourage people to make an account so lurkers will make an account and we get more Members.
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 18, 2012 16:44:30 GMT
Make the warning label visible only to the user warned and the staff member.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 18, 2012 22:29:56 GMT
How about no? The warning label is meant to be punishment, not a statistic.
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Post by nmagain on Jun 19, 2012 18:24:37 GMT
yes i will be really ashamed if someone saw my warning bar!!
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 19, 2012 20:30:31 GMT
People ignore it, but for the people that do actually care about it it matters. Clearly people do if they make suggestions to hide it.
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 20, 2012 4:46:14 GMT
People ignore it, but for the people that do actually care about it it matters. Clearly people do if they make suggestions to hide it. I suggested to hide it because it's fucking dumb.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 20, 2012 4:47:10 GMT
Please, do elaborate. How is it dumb? It has been used to ban repeat offenders before, after all.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 20, 2012 5:05:15 GMT
The display of the meter to everyone did not itself ban repeat offenders, but merely its visibility to staff. It can be changed so that only staff and the offender can see it, or only staff can see it, or so it's disabled altogether. Strictly speaking, only the staff have to see it, although having the offender see it will let him recognize that failure to behave will soon lead to a ban...
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 20, 2012 5:21:46 GMT
Yes, only the staff have to see it, but for the few to whom it matters it may act as a deterrent in of itself. There's no good reason to not have it visible, while there is a reason (however weak) to have it visible.
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Post by D_M-01 on Jun 20, 2012 6:14:51 GMT
It should be only visible to the user and the staff.
Having it in the open does not make it a deterrent. It turns the individual user into a target by other members, which in turn only causes more problems.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 20, 2012 6:17:03 GMT
If the person has broken the rules, they deserve to have other members know it. If it turns them into a target, it's their own fault.
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Post by Hachi1 on Jun 20, 2012 6:29:21 GMT
I agree with Qwerty here. If people know their warnings will be seen, they'll try not to get warnings (probably)
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Post by Hachi1 on Jun 20, 2012 6:30:25 GMT
oh his name changed now its Dvorak
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 20, 2012 6:50:23 GMT
My name is randomized, and please try not to become an example.
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Post by nmagain on Jun 20, 2012 12:00:29 GMT
youre all being dumb here. no one cares about warnings, people dont become "targets" to anyone in any way.
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 20, 2012 15:18:56 GMT
They usually don't, but even so there's no reason to outright remove it.
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Post by Fringe Pioneer on Jun 20, 2012 22:50:26 GMT
...which is why it wouldn't be outright removed, it would probably made to be visible just to staff and the offender. Quite frankly, the actions themselves of the offender should act as the ostracizing agent, not some image above the user's avatar. If the actions themselves are not ostracizing the offender, how would showing the image to non-staff do so?
If I were to keep the warning bar visible to everyone so that the warning bar, and not the actions, turns the offender into a target by others, then I'm just promoting ostracizing and encouraging others to be aloof with each other. In the event that the person just happened to make a mistake, as opposed to some regular troll like [SUBJECT EXAMPLE TROLL HERE], then the person who otherwise might have continued being a good member and becoming accepted into the community will instead be ostracized by the others. Now I'm all in for ostracizing trolls, but ostracizing anyone who happens to earn a warning?
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Post by nmagain on Jun 20, 2012 23:24:29 GMT
what does ostracize mean is that like "sodomize" because i dont want to sodomize trolls sorry
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Post by Qwerty on Jun 21, 2012 22:22:28 GMT
"Ostracize" is basically what you do for a living.
We don't usually have people that just get a warning. We always warn them at first, and let them know what is and is not against the rules. People only ever get warnings if they do it repeatedly, in which case, yes, they deserve to have that known.
Of course, nobody cares about the warning bar anyway, so it doesn't turn anyone into a target.
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